Top pair, lousy kicker

[spaceboy761]

Here's a spot that we all find ourselves in fairly often:

Everleaf Gaming Game #162385751
***** Hand history for game #162385751 *****
Blinds $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em - 2010/04/20 - 16:03:03
Table Phoenix III
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players: 10
Seat 1: skyjoro ( $ 1.70 USD )
Seat 2: 00belette00 ( $ 9.03 USD )
Seat 3: poo500 ( $ 10.11 USD )
Seat 4: YAOYAO888 ( $ 4.85 USD )
Seat 5: Pelagatos ( $ 9.12 USD )
Seat 6: IncReDebil0z ( $ 7.36 USD )
Seat 7: r_royal01 ( All-in )
Seat 8: spaceboy761 ( $ 10.28 USD )
Seat 9: MDKILLER69 ( $ 18.14 USD )
Seat 10: gray670 ( $ 9.93 USD )
spaceboy761: posts small blind [$ 0.05 USD]
MDKILLER69: posts big blind [$ 0.10 USD]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to spaceboy761 [ KS, 3H ]
gray670 folds
skyjoro folds
00belette00 folds
poo500 calls [$ 0.10 USD]
YAOYAO888 folds
Pelagatos folds
IncReDebil0z calls [$ 0.10 USD]
spaceboy761 calls [$ 0.05 USD]
MDKILLER69 checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ KH, TH, 4S ]
spaceboy761: bets [$ 0.20 USD]
MDKILLER69 calls [$ 0.20 USD]
poo500 raises [$ 0.70 USD]
IncReDebil0z folds
spaceboy761 ???


Sweet. How much faith do we have the kings here with that 3 kicker?

[WinJStar]

I'd call. If he just had a king, he wouldn't re-raise. If he had an ace or a queen kicker, he'd probably raise preflop at those stakes. He may have a flush draw and be trying to raise the pot. Maybe he flopped 2 pair and was trying to avoid someone catching the flush. I probably would have checked to begin with to see the action first.

[StevieJS]

I have no idea really other than folding. The villain calls pre-flop, so could be holding a small pocket pair, any two suited cards, any 2 cards at all really, or he might even have a monster and is hoping for a re-raise so he can get all the money in preflop.
The flop comes down, and you lead out with a half the pot size bet. you get called, then a raise. (Tough spot Uggggh).. Here you really have one option and that's to fold.
Personally if it were me I would have checked the flop and seen how the betting action unfolded before calling or even making a check raise.
I hate hands like that, and if you "hit" like you did, you can be caught between a rock and a hard place

[KManDeuce]

How much faith do we have the kings here with that 3 kicker?

So much faith that we should have a better idea about how good it is limping the small blind there. How many streets and how much are you planning/hoping to call off here? Gonna bet for value at some point instead? Think you can bluff both off a winner? Do we get any kind of read or tendency you know about either opponent?

Fold or raise pre-flop. Fold or raise now (almost surely fold without a pretty good reason based on these two specific players).

[spaceboy761]

I was getting 7-1 on the small blind call. I'm not sure how much of a value bet you want to sling around with K3o, but it seems pretty early to start driving people out of the hand when you can just be content getting laid 7-1.

Seeing as I was acting first with three guys ahead of me, I think that 20 cents was prudent since I have pretty bad information until by opponents give me some. That's what a small bet is usually for.

Secondly, go fuck yourself. I'm not posting the rest of the hand and Jen is welcome to close the thread. There has been absolutely no hand analysis in this supposed poker group, we actually create a thread that generates two different opinions (indicating a potentially decent discussion), and you see it fit to start attacking somebody's play not even pertaining to the posed situation. Way to go. Maybe in three more months, somebody will care enough to post another strategy thread and you can shoot them down too.

[KManDeuce]

You're only getting 7-to-1 if you're not playing any more streets with wagering.

Given pre-flop, I absolutely bet out there. Never suggested otherwise.

And wow. Not sure where you felt attacked. But wow. I'd suggest you try reading what I wrote again. I think you added something in or missed something or both.

[KManDeuce]

I'd call. If he just had a king, he wouldn't re-raise. If he had an ace or a queen kicker, he'd probably raise preflop at those stakes. He may have a flush draw and be trying to raise the pot. Maybe he flopped 2 pair and was trying to avoid someone catching the flush. I probably would have checked to begin with to see the action first.

Curious why you don't think he'd raise a King. And/or what you think the cold-caller still to act is up to and might do? Isn't calling here setting us up to check-call twice more (barring some unlikely improvement) with bets growing and getting us in to a big pot with one pair and no kicker and two opponents?

[WinJStar]

oy vey

[trauma]

I have to say I would have played the hand the same way Greg did. I would have limp in the SB. Tossed out a little bet to test the waters. With the re-raise I would fold I'd want to call because of course curiosity killed the cat. I don't think a smooth call is a good Idea here. If you really think this guy is bluffing then re raise him other wise cut your losses and get out.

[LadyWrestler]

As played, I would fold. I would wait for a better spot to get involved in what probably turned out to be a rather large pot.