This is a discussion on Hypothetical SNG Question within the Hand-Analysis/Tips/Strategies/Articles forums, part of the Poker! Poker! Poker! category; This is a question I posted in another forum. I'd thought I'd post it here and get other peoples opinions. ...
This is a question I posted in another forum. I'd thought I'd post it here and get other peoples opinions.
This is a $5 6-seat SNG. 2 places pay.
Blinds are 100/200
Hero: 6650
Villain 1: 250 (sitting out)
Villain 2: 2100
Villain 2: Button
Hero: Post SB (100)
Villain 1: Post BB (200) (sitting out)
Villain 2: Folds
Hero: ???
...What is your play here? And why?
^^^ agree why would you not steal his BB ?
Because you're supposed to "think outside the box" and consider....
If you let the shortie absentee stick around...then the other guy is kinda forced into folding to you any time you raise since he knows he can get 2nd by outlasting the guy sitting out. So you increase your chance of first by keeping him around and preying on the other guy's desire to cash. So the answer to me depends (isn't that always the answer!?!) on what you know of the guy who's still there. That info isn't given, of course.
Nice replies so far. I'll wait for more replies.
I see no point in this, you have a 3 to 1 chip advantage over the other guy so get it to heads up and use the chip advantage to take him out for the win.Originally Posted by KManDeuce
By keeping the short-stack (sitout) in, you force the middle stack to only call/shove with ~10% of their range or less and increase your chance for a 1st place finish. Usually a player is not going to want to get involved in many hands when almost has a ITM finish in lock. You're picking chips off of both players every rotation; chipping away 300 chips from mid-stack everytime you're the button, and only giving 100 back to SS to keep them in the game. So, by doing this, when they mid stack finally decides to shove, its possible its with a lot fewer BBs that you can easily call off. Or if he does manage to go HU with you, you're at a much larger chip advantage. On the bubble, middle stacks shove/call range is pretty tight with 10BBs and there is a sitout with only 1-2BBs left.
Now lets say you go ahead and raise and short stack busts the next hand by the mid stack, giving him a stack of 2150 vs 6850. You still have about a 3:1 advantage over the villain but when it was 3 handed, your shove range was wide and villain's call/shove range wasn't. Now, villains shove/call range is much wider with 10BBs and you're range of hands you can call/shove with has narrowed. When facing a shove that is going to cost you 30% of your stack, what is your call range here? A lot of times, especially if villain's shove/calling range is ATC, you'll find yourself in 60/40 or 40/60 situations which isn't that great of odds when you're risking 30% of your stack on a 60% chance of winning. However, if you had chipped away some of the stack and say middle stack was sitting on 5BBs when it goes heads up, then your have a better chip advantage to win and, while mid stacks shove range is wider, your call range is much also wider while risking much less of your stack.
Lets switch things around with my OP. Say you are the middle stack in the SNG situation. What is your shove/call range here?
Last edited by Terribad; 05-12-2010 at 07:34 PM.
Just to reiterate, or be more clear I guess, I wasn't necessarily taking a side....just answering the question that had been posed by some responders of "Why isn't this trivial?" My actual answer was "it depends."
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