Was this a donk move?

[CJ]

This is not a league game, it was a $5 freezeout...top 5 pay. I just don't understand why a player would risk their stack on a mid pair, when you are 2 from the money, and you aren't short staked...100/200 blinds. so of course I bubbled. IMO, this was a really bad play. I am still sore...Maybe he was lookin for me to fold? Was I stupid for alling that bet? Did I make the bad play?

Everleaf Gaming Game #210751285
***** Hand history for game #210751285 *****
Blinds 100/200 NL Hold'em - 2010/10/25 - 01:53:49
Table 1
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players: 7
Seat 1: GreedyGus ( 5417 Chips )
Seat 2: tatarin119 ( 6172 Chips )
Seat 3: NMPSG ( 650 Chips )
Seat 5: DvnHmmr ( 5322 Chips )
Seat 6: Rusty10 ( 12398 Chips )
Seat 7: GIUMA1 ( 14292 Chips )
Seat 10: CJDavis ( 9749 Chips )
NMPSG: posts small blind [ 100 Chips]
DvnHmmr: posts big blind [ 200 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CJDavis [ As, Ah ]
Rusty10 calls [ 200 Chips]
GIUMA1 calls [ 200 Chips]
CJDavis raises [ 1,100 Chips]
GreedyGus folds
tatarin119 folds
NMPSG calls [ 550 Chips] (all-in)
DvnHmmr raises [ 5,122 Chips] (all-in)
Rusty10 folds
GIUMA1 folds
CJDavis calls [ 4,222 Chips]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 4d, 8d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
NMPSG shows [ Kh, Qc ] a pair of threes
DvnHmmr shows [ 8h, 8s ] a full house, eights full of threes
CJDavis shows [ As, Ah ] two pairs, aces and threes
DvnHmmr wins 2350 chips from main pot with a full house, eights full of threes [ 8h, 8s, 8d, 3s, 3c ]
DvnHmmr wins 9344 chips from side pot with a full house, eights full of threes [ 8h, 8s, 8d, 3s, 3c ]

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[batgirl218]

Well let's see what God has to say...oh wait he's not around...ok well I'll have to do

Ok well first off I would say when posting a hand for advice try to include EVERYTHING you know about the hand and player involved. Thankfully I have stats on you and Dvn so I can kinda sort through this hand.

Ok CJDavis stats: CJ IMO is a tight player, who limps more often than she should re-raising 3% of her hands, raising 8% of her hands and limping with 12% of all hands seen.

A raise from CJ usually cuts her range down quite a bit I would put her anything from:
77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,ATo+,KQo

That's just the first raise mind you.

No idea who this NM whatever dude is so we'll forget about him and move on to hmmr

Hmmr shoves (thus a three-bet) so let's see what his three betting looks like:

Ok DvnHmmr, only three bets 3% of his hands so a typical hand for him in this spot is:

99+ AKs,

So 88 isn't REALLY a stretch for his numbers but it's right on the fringe. So let's see the game from his eyes and what 88 looks like against CJ's range


CJ's range: 53.821%
88: 46.179%

So he's only a small underdog against what CJ would be raising with here.

So tech. this isn't the worst possible play ever created Hmmr if he thinks CJ is light here. I think if this was a normal everyday hand Hmmr folds. However, it's a bubble hand and he is short stacked and is willing to take shots to go deeper into the money.

His M is pretty solid for 100/200 and no antes (17ish) so he's not really threatened by anything yet and there is an incredibly short stack who called all-in. I personally don't like this play by him but I can see why someone would make this play. He probably understood the risks and decided to take a coin flip for 10k in chips. It's also a short handed situation in which ranges can increase or decrease depending on your philosophy when it comes to short handed play.

Anyways, like I said if it were me, I would probably fold and wait for the bubble to burst before I start taking coin flips but again that's me. However I don't this was a donk move at all. I think it just feels that way because he hit a two outer on you.

[NoAngel2u]

Well, I can't give a mathematical analysis (Calling Batgirl!! nananananananana BATGIRL!) and I am an admitted/proven donker, so won't criticize. lol One of my most infamous donks I went in all in with mid pair knowing that I was at least going to come away with a stack I could get back in the running with, and on the other I was under pressure from being eaten up by blinds and antes. I would like to think that since I still had more than 20bb's I would have been glad to let you take out that little stack, leaving us with only one more player to eliminate, rather than risk my decent stack. Maybe he thought you'd drop it with an all in, and he could steal your bet and the small stack? All I know is it just makes me nervous. lmfao

Soooooooooooo I feel for ya. I hate getin my AA's cracked, and so close ttm would leave anyone steaming.

[StevieJS]

I would have pushed with AA in your position here, given there's some money already into the pot. I understand NMPSG's play which was a straight forward all -in being the short stack.
I think DvnHmmr was trying to represent the hand you had, and was trying to induce a fold.. I bet he shit bricks when you flipped over the AA !. In any event the result would probably have been the same if he had flat called your raise and you both went to the flop. Depends on whether you could have let go of your hand if he moved over the top of you from there..

[NoAngel2u]

Well let's see what God has to say...oh wait he's not around...ok well I'll have to do

LMAO yes you will. lol

[batgirl218]

I dunno about shoving, but a bigger raise would have been ok. People on this site tend to lose creativity with bet sizes with the epic "bet pot" button.

[CJ]

my guess is he would of called an all in bet from me. If you look at the other stacks, IMO, he really wasn't short stacked for being 2 away from the cash.
Yes, I'm a limper, and play tight...

I should of pushed all-in on this? That's what I'm thinkin would of been my best move here. Jess, thanks i think that your little gadget has a good read on me. I play pretty consistent , tho some times I grow balls and set a nice trap...

[batgirl218]

yes sadly my toy doesn't have the "CJ's tick tick tick tick BOOM" Application .

[maverick35]

Old Mav realizes exactly sorry CJ Davis Connie and so old Mav realizes exactly this person that beat u and so old Mav has noticed him a lota and so he is exactly whut u call a poker card computer under standing clairovoyent he knows the poker card dealing computer knows that 8 3 3 is exactly whut the poker card dealing computer is gona deal and so there r such kinds of people they see ahead see ahead 1 3 5 10 minutes and so exactly know how the poker hand is gona play out off and so with 88 he knew logicialy u had AA these kinds of brains know things like that old Mav plays against them all the time at F T Poker and so until till old Mav had enough enuff about a month ago and so has gone back to playing for fun at Pogo cuz u old Mav realy gota no not any chance against these on line poker Einsteins and so they know the way the poker cards r dealt the odds the way it will may go as in this case they know the scenario posibilitys know every infinite posibility down to a T and so he knew he would win and so old Mav no not knows what a Donk is some kind of private joke u poker players have butt in this case it was pre ordained u fell in to a trap 88 thus AA this is a pre ordained poker hand those kind of poker clairovoyents know u fell in to butt no not need be ashamed we old Mav does it all the time and so butt hope this chat post explains this to u u need look out off for those poker hands they know how they go and so old Mav hopes u all have a hapy Haloween 2010 and so that Novemnber 2010 is a good month for all of u nice friendly members and so it is colder localy butt old Mav no not minds gota new winter blanket and so this senior apartment has a nice heating system and so old Mav is more concerned about the wall A C it burned out off need geta new one 1 next Summer 2011 and so butt then that is around 4 5 6 months away right RIGHT and so at 66 old Mav hopes to be lucky enough enuff and so to still be around in April 2011 and so old Mav exercises at the local down town YMCA to try to keep in shape and so hope it helps and so old Mav does feel beter but still feel old and so feel 66 and so old Mav still needs a miracle before it is too late for old Mav and so butt old Mav is lucky they no not take old Mav seriously and so old Mav needs a miracle sorry right... sorry old Mav

[batgirl218]

wow that was the most disorienting piece I have ever read...