Can this guy see my cards?

[all4pearljam]

Very serious about this...I'm not subscribed to any player-rater site, so I can't see this person's stats, but this hand seems EXTREMELY fishy. Some background...I had KK and AQ 3 hands before this, and he/she folded to both. I then raised with trash 2 times in a row, and he/she re-raised. And then this happened...(FYI, I was floating to try and test him/her):


Everleaf Gaming Game #276181617
***** Hand history for game #276181617 *****
Blinds 10/20 NL Hold'em - 2011/06/02 - 21:28:36
Table 1
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players: 2
Seat 1: zambo1984 ( 1600 Chips )
Seat 2: all4pearljam ( 1400 Chips )
zambo1984: posts small blind [ 10 Chips]
all4pearljam: posts big blind [ 20 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to all4pearljam [ 9d, 2d ]
zambo1984 calls [ 10 Chips]
all4pearljam checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Jh, Js ]
all4pearljam checks
zambo1984: bets [ 40 Chips]
all4pearljam calls [ 40 Chips]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
all4pearljam: bets [ 80 Chips]
zambo1984 raises [ 160 Chips]
all4pearljam raises [ 380 Chips]
zambo1984 calls [ 300 Chips]
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
all4pearljam: bets [ 500 Chips]
zambo1984 calls [ 500 Chips]
all4pearljam shows [ 9d, 2d ] a pair of jacks
zambo1984 shows [ 4d, Tc ] two pairs, jacks and tens
zambo1984 wins 2040 chips from main pot with two pairs, jacks and tens [ Jh, Js, Tc, Ts, 8s ]


I 3-bet the turn, and he called with 10 high - no pair no draw. Thoughts....?

[RoadBob]

3 bet more if you are 3 betting turn, more like 500. Don't bet river. It's just spew to this opponent.

I hope you owned this guy after seeing this hand.

[all4pearljam]

I re-raised his 160 min-raise to 460 (380 more than my original turn bet of 80). Regardless, he has no business being in this hand after I 3-bet, not to mention my original bet on the turn...But yea, I came back and won with my QQ against his AK.

[RoadBob]

In your OP your 3 bet was 380 after he bet 160. The problem with your 3 bet was it was just a little more than a min raise of his bet. The guy was obviously a drooler who wasn't seeing what you are trying to rep here, but if you did have a jack you want to build the pot so you can get your stack in by the river and not make it look like a huge overbet.

[Nynus]

This looks like a rebuy or freeroll game. Especially a low buy in rebuy game.

During the rebuy period, some people just want to get it all in regardless of what their two cards are. I've had my bets with a set called down to the river with A high. I've had 64 try to run me out when I flopped top pair best kicker.

Be happy for their shitty play. You're going to take their money there more times then not.

btw - PearlJam, I've played with you enough, I wouldn't have made that play with T-high, but I probably would have called you down with a pair of deuces.

[all4pearljam]

In your OP your 3 bet was 380 after he bet 160. The problem with your 3 bet was it was just a little more than a min raise of his bet. The guy was obviously a drooler who wasn't seeing what you are trying to rep here, but if you did have a jack you want to build the pot so you can get your stack in by the river and not make it look like a huge overbet.

My re-raise was not 380, it was 460 total (380 more than my original bet of 80 and 300 on top of his 160 min raise)

[all4pearljam]

This looks like a rebuy or freeroll game. Especially a low buy in rebuy game.

During the rebuy period, some people just want to get it all in regardless of what their two cards are. I've had my bets with a set called down to the river with A high. I've had 64 try to run me out when I flopped top pair best kicker.

Be happy for their shitty play. You're going to take their money there more times then not.

btw - PearlJam, I've played with you enough, I wouldn't have made that play with T-high, but I probably would have called you down with a pair of deuces.

no, it was just a heads-up sng

[RoadBob]

Not sure what I'm missing

all4pearljam: bets [ 80 Chips]
zambo1984 raises [ 160 Chips]
all4pearljam raises [ 380 Chips] I would raise ~500 here instead of 380
zambo1984 calls [ 300 Chips]

Hope that clears up any confusion.

Regardless, he has no business being in this hand after I 3-bet

This is why you don't try to bluff calling stations. In HU you have to figure out a player's weakness and then exploit it. This guy likes to call so just bet your made hands strong and send him to the rail.

[Nynus]

Shit. I didn't notice that it was a heads up game.

A healthy percentage of players throw the rules out the window when it comes to heads up.

Everleaf No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Everleaf Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com



zambo (SB) (t1600)
pearljam (BB) (t1400)

pearljam's M: 46.67

Preflop: pearljam is BB with 9, 2
zambo calls t10, pearljam checks

Flop: (t40) 3, J, J (2 players)
pearljam checks, zambo bets t40, pearljam calls t40

Turn: (t120) 8 (2 players)
pearljam bets t80, zambo raises t160, pearljam raises t380, zambo calls t300

River: (t1040) 10 (2 players)
pearljam bets t500, zambo calls t500

Total pot: t2040

Results:
zambo had 4, 10 (two pair, Jacks and tens).
pearljam had 9, 2 (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: zambo won t2040


Your first bet on the turn being 80 into a 120 pot looks like a steal attempt to me.

He then makes a weak raise of 160 into a 200 pot, making the pot 360 with only 80 to call for you. When you double his bet, then you haven't given him a reason to fold. His call there would be no different from a call on the lead out bet.

This is what it appears you are both saying on the turn:

Perljam: Bet 80 into a 120 pot, "I've got an 8, I might have a J, but I'm gonna save some money just in case you have a jack."

Zambo: Raises 160 "Fuck you, I've got the jack, go away, I don't want you to call"

Pearljam: Raises 380 "You don't have a jack, but I'm not sure I'm ahead, go away"

Zambo: Calls 300 "I can't fold now, too much money in the pot. Let's see who hits the river"


It's a muddled and weak conversation.

Lead out with a yell, not a whisper. Or better than that, let him start talking then yell him down with a check raise.

You guys tried to have a polite conversation and trapped each other into a pot too big to get away from.

[curtinsea]

What you are missing Bob is the HH on Luvin shows the bet increase, not the total bet . . . he made it 460 to go, as indicated by zambo's call of 300 more.

Are you saying you would have made it 660 to go?

My take on the hand is that you should not have flatted on the flop. I get that you were going to try to take it on the turn, but at this blind level and your hand strength I think that was ill advised. Further, I think Bob's point about not betting the river is spot on, if your turn action failed to work, it's time to hang it up.

As far as "he had no business being in the hand" . . . . I think this is the most ridiculous statement I hear from poker players who take a "bad beat" . . . You absolutely want chumps to play hands they have no business being in, that is how you get paid off. But you have to recognize when you went for a move and it didn't work, to flail at it on the river and then cry (no insult intended) when he has hit a card.

You can't bluff a player that doesn't know he is supposed to fold to your action.

I apologize for repeating what the others have said