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    Yes thats right Billy, you're absolutely right. He's a CFR member and the Mosque is being funded by News Corp interests... well spotted
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    The opponents of the proposed Cordoba Initiative Islamic center planned for Lower Manhattan are fond of suggesting, by way of lengthy and often confusing chains of causation and association, that its principal planner, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, is connected to terrorism. "The imam has been tied to some shady characters," Fox Business Channel's Eric Bolling recently said, "so should we worry that terror dollars could be funding the project?" Blogger Pamela Geller, who has become a regular talking head on cable-news channels to denounce the mosque, has noted Rauf's involvement with a Malaysian peace group that funded the group that organized the Gaza flotilla under the headline, "Ground Zero Imam Rauf's 'Charity' Funded Genocide Mission."

    On last night's "Daily Show," Jon Stewart skewered these antics as a "dangerous game of guilt by association you can play with almost anybody," and proceeded to tie Fox News to al-Qaida by connecting Fox News parent News Corp's second-largest shareholder, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, to the Carlyle Group, which has done business with the bin Laden family, "one of whose sons — obviously I'm not going to say which one — may be anti-American." But Stewart didn't need to take all those steps to make the connection: Al-Waleed has directly funded Rauf's projects to the tune of more than $300,000. If Fox newscasters can darkly suggest "terror dollars" are sluicing into the Islamic center's coffers via "shady characters," then are Al-Waleed, and News Corp. leader Rupert Murdoch, by the same logic, also terror stooges? (The "Daily Show" video appears after the jump.)

    It doesn't say that! I was talking about Imam and sharia law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJQ View Post
    Using that kind of logic there wouldn't be a single church in all of Germany.
    Surely you realise this isn't comparable, Frank? I'm trying my best to understand why you would say this? If you're referring to World Wars 1 and 2, then these were not the effects of religion and therefore placing churches there is of no relevance. A church does not symbolize anything to do with either war. Or maybe because of Hitler being a Christian? This is only a claim and not fact. In fact "evidence" exists showing Hitler rejected Christianity. He supposedly claimed to be Christian to gain popularity amongst 90% of the nation who were Christians.

    Germany is a whole country. To deny the placements of churches would be absurd and ridiculous. Ground zero is one area which should be remembered for exactly what it was, not turned in to something it shouldn't. You have seen my opinion on Muslims and those who categorize them all as terrorists. I love peaceful loving muslims but I do find this disrespectful. I think it strange for this to have even been suggested. Rights certainly shouldn't come in to it because regardless of our disagreements of whether Islam/Koran teaches to hate or to love, 9/11 happened "in the name of Islam". Any Muslim I know would appreciate this and agree it shouldn't be put there.

    Quote Originally Posted by DJQ View Post
    But that's all it is. It's gonna be a big building with lot's of things in it(a "community center") and will include a prayer room.
    It has been called a mosque and an Islamic Cultural Centre... that doesn't really describe a community centre. If they were to build a community center, it should be open for people of all religions and those of no faith.

    Quote Originally Posted by Niccivan View Post
    whether you like it or not, believe it or not, or whatever.... I AM a Christian.
    Can you two not create a thread.... its hard to keep up with you two spouting

    You are never going to agree on Christianity. I get where you're coming from on your beliefs of what constitutes as a Christian, Frank but at the same it is not up to you to dictate to another what or who they are because of your own definition of a Christian. Nicci believes in her heart she is a Christian, believes, loves and follows the teachings of Christ. It is her who will face her judgement day, so unless you're the one sitting whacking down that hammer, you should probably leave it be.

    That said, I'm sure we'll see another anti Christian thread in a day or two

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