THE WAR IS OVER .... YAHOoooo!

**NoAngel2u** · 12-20-2011, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by billynomates

As a disinterested(means neutral not uninterested) observer I'd have to disagree. Whilst a lot here don't endorse Obama and his policies, I can't recall anyone claiming Bush or any of the current candidates are faultless.

Well, I suppose you may be a little right and I may be a little wrong, but only just a little.

**curtinsea** · 12-20-2011, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by NoAngel2u

That's the problem with you dyed in the wool liberals/democrats and conservative/republicans. You don't want to take your own to task.

what? are we on the same page?

Seriously, this is why our system is a mess, we like to pick horses and watch races. I have a solution, nobody would like it though, so it must be gold lol

**Moab** · 12-20-2011, 11:14 AM

I'm not dyed in the wool as you posted ... I'm a socialist.

OObama signed the papers necessary to order the troops return and that too is a fact. What would you say if he defied the Iraqi's and stayed and started another war or escalate the terror attacks on the landed troops. But you and I know those departed troops from Iraq, those troops for the most part are setting in Kuwait ... Just in Case

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Alli can say Nic .. is that troops are stationed all over the wold making ours a Imperialistic occupying army. Troops deploy daily to those bases.

**curtinsea** · 12-20-2011, 11:21 AM

<yawn>

The troops have left Iraq, we should all be thankful for that.

What gets me about the blame/credit game going on now is that the Dems and Obama were adamantly against the Iraq war, but then when they had the power they did nothing to change the situation. they can claim they did this or that, but as Beth pointed out, it went on to the date planned on by the previous administration. so as far as I can tell, they get no points for anything.

Also, to hear him talk now, you'd think Obama was the one who initiated the Iraq war, who supported it's mission all along, and is proud of HIS military's accomplishment. To say it smacks of hypocrisy is an understatement.

Of course this doesn't make him unique among politicians, but frankly I'm surprised at Nikki wanting to congratulate Obama so much over this. Why isn't she outraged that he didn't bring them home in year one?

**Moab** · 12-20-2011, 11:38 AM

I'm Dyslexic, not stupid Curt and I have a great mind for remembering and I know what I wrote and the simple fact is this ... Obama announced the withdrawal from Iraq ... I posted that .. The Republicans at the debate and on Fox and including McCain are opposed to the withdrawal ... That's what I posted.

People have then added things I didn't say as if I was stupid and didn't know about the Embassy civilians and other non military personnel.

Obama withdrew the troops and the republicans are against it .... Pure and simple.

**curtinsea** · 12-20-2011, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Moab

I'm Dyslexic, not stupid Curt and I have a great mind for remembering and I know what I wrote and the simple fact is this ... Obama announced the withdrawal from Iraq ... I posted that .. The Republicans at the debate and on Fox and including McCain are opposed to the withdrawal ... That's what I posted.

People have then added things I didn't say as if I was stupid and didn't know about the Embassy civilians and other non military personnel.

Obama withdrew the troops and the republicans are against it .... Pure and simple.

Ah yes, the crafty web a single thread can weave . . . . 'Tis true, all you originally said was Obama "announced" the withdrawal and the Republicans were opposed . . .

Originally Posted by Moab

8 years and one trillion dollars we know about (and some 800 billion Bush got off budget) the war is over. Obama brought the troops home.

I know you Obama haters will want us to stay and spend more then bitch because he's spending tax payer money ... Fact is the Iraqis ask us to leave and we are gone. Bush's war is over.

you tried to fudge the numbers a little, but oh well . . .

Beth pointed out that the withdrawal date was already set before Obama took office, and that he really didn't keep his promise of ending the war, he merely ran out the clock. Her point is also true, and the only conflict between what she said and what you said is that we must accept the fact that Obama did in fact give the actual order to withdraw, even though he was following the previous administration's timetable.

But you did add this . . .

First off Obama didn't plow his own horn I posted the thread and was 100 % right On Obama's watch and through his power as president ordered the troops home.

which was demonstrated to be untrue, Obama was in fact tooting his own horn on this.

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everybody. As a candidate for President, I pledged to bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end -- for the sake of our national security and to strengthen American leadership around the world. After taking office, I announced a new strategy that would end our combat mission in Iraq and remove all of our troops by the end of 2011.

As Commander-in-Chief, ensuring the success of this strategy has been one of my highest national security priorities. Last year, I announced the end to our combat mission in Iraq. And to date, we’ve removed more than 100,000 troops. Iraqis have taken full responsibility for their country’s security.
A few hours ago I spoke with Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki. I reaffirmed that the United States keeps its commitments. He spoke of the determination of the Iraqi people to forge their own future. We are in full agreement about how to move forward.
So today, I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America’s war in Iraq will be over.

Now, I would never call you stupid (at least I think I never have lol), but I did ask a question. Why aren't you outraged he didn't do this in year one of his Presidency? It would have been easy to do with control of congress and the white house.

easy peasy.

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