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Screw the pointless stuff, let's discuss what really matters

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    20+ posts before we got to the BLAME BUSH / IT'S ALL OBAMA'S fault.

    Then of course the thread got cloned with all the same pointless arguments/blame/counter-blame that are in 50+ threads regardless of the original topic of the thread.

    I was actually expecting this thread to go south after 10 posts.

    Back to the debt limit.........

    Obama and Boehner are playing golf on Saturday with the intent to hammer out a deal on the debt ceiling. Rumor has it Boehner is handicapping Obama 3 strokes. I've also read that the Biden led negotiations have found 1 Trillion in cuts. Only half way there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoAngel2u View Post
    I mentioned war crimes in context of not letting off someone who started something, just because they are no longer in a position of power.
    obviously we disagree on whether or not war crimes were committed. it would seem that the only difference many see between Bush's actions and that of the current administration are who sanctioned the action. I see it as difference in defending our nations interest and acting as a pawn of the UN


    What did I bring up to justify keeping Gitmo open?
    ok you brought up something to change the subject from why hasn't Obama closed Gitmo without taking a positon on the issue. Just giving Barry a pass, in my view.

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    Read my lips: I will close Guantanamo


    Barack Obama:

    I intend to close Guantanamo... On CBS 60 Minutes, November 16, 2008.

    I don't want to be ambiguous about this. We are going to close Guantanamo Jan. 11, 2009

    I have ordered the closing of the detention center at Guantanamo Bay Feb 24, 2009

    Obama insists Guantánamo must close. May 21 2009

    Obama admits delay on Guantanamo. 18 November 2009

    From the Washington Times

    President Obama quietly signed an executive order on Monday instituting a system for indefinitely holding terrorist detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay (Gitmo), Cuba. The administration also announced that terrorist trials by military commission would recommence. This is a win for U.S. security, but the country has paid a heavy price for Mr. Obama’s on-the-job training in counterterrorism.
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    All I know is it has got to stop.... So childish .. the debt ceiling is not a democrat or republican thing..they have each had their share in voting no to the opposite party ...like well they voted no ,so we will vote no to them,over and over again. But ya know what ..it gets raised and has been raised multiple times by Cater ,Reagan, the Bush's, and even my man Clinton.Increasing the debt ceiling limit is not a Republican thing or a Democrat thing .......its a United States thing. So bet your ass it will be raised. The end .
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    ok are we discussing Guantanamo bay or are we just stating that Obama failed? when you have a president willing to allow room for compromise and a passivity that has downs as well as perks. His disposition has kept him from being able to fulfill a promise he thought he could make. My bad ...but has he given up on tryin? Hell no!
    I say to my husband(the one who married me/voted me in) you know what I am going to scrub the floors and get the damn tar off that the person who came in last tracked in and made the mess by gosh! This floor will be spotless you can bet your ass. In the meantime I am scrubbing and it takes longer than I expected..I have to fix lunch for kids...other chores too... my husband walks in 6 hours later and says you had all damn day ..you said you were gonna get the floors spotless. I have to say I am sorry I didn't get it done like I said sweetie....
    I failed...divorce me an option? noooooooo sure hope not ...cause he knows I will keep trying. He has faith in me ..thats why he married me
    So if that was a dumb example I am sorry but I will not give up on our president and even if he can't complete everything he will get a big hug for trying and doing his best!
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    ok are we discussing Guantanamo bay or are we just stating that Obama failed? when you have a president willing to allow room for compromise and a passivity that has downs as well as perks. His disposition has kept him from being able to fulfill a promise he thought he could make. My bad ...but has he given up on tryin? Hell no!
    I say to my husband(the one who married me/voted me in) you know what I am going to scrub the floors and get the damn tar off that the person who came in last tracked in and made the mess by gosh! This floor will be spotless you can bet your ass. In the meantime I am scrubbing and it takes longer than I expected..I have to fix lunch for kids...other chores too... my husband walks in 6 hours later and says you had all damn day ..you said you were gonna get the floors spotless. I have to say I am sorry I didn't get it done like I said sweetie....
    I failed...divorce me an option? noooooooo sure hope not ...cause he knows I will keep trying. He has faith in me ..thats why he married me
    So if that was a dumb example I am sorry but I will not give up on our president and even if he can't complete everything he will get a big hug for trying and doing his best!
    So you make promises you can't keep. That is rash and mis-judged. So next time you make a promise he'll think 'well she'll do her best to keep it but maybe fail' and the time after. 'Her promises are words' then'Her promises are empty words and mean nothing' then'She lied to me told me what I want to hear, she's incapable of keeping promises'.

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    Nope. That is only gonna happen if the people he made the promises to are immature. I am pretty sure thats why ya need to be an adult to vote....lol If you make a promise it means you will do it,and if you fail right away(as circumstances get in the way) you keep trying til you make your promise good. The fat lady hasn't sung yet. Oh ...I am not defending that he hasn't kept the promise thus far but I am saying he hasn't just quit trying.
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    He deliberately mislead people and continued the agenda. Do you really think an Empire starts a campaign of War only to change "policy" a couple of years later because the PEASANTS had a little vote?

    Do you really think the PEASANTS are in charge? LOL
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    Remember way back in 2008 when George Bush was still the President and everyone on the left was screeching about lies? If you can’t remember that far back just flip over to MSNBC and wait a few minutes they’ll be happy to remind you. I thought I would write a short piece about the lies we have already heard from President Obama. I did little research and there are plenty of web sites that focus on a lot of picayune stuff and things from long ago.

    I decided to stick to direct quotes from the President made within the last 18 months. Some I have commented on, the others as they say at Harvard Law, res ipsa loquitur.

    1) “…not because I believe in bigger government — I don’t — not because I’m not mindful of the massive debt we’ve inherited — I am.” Speech to congress, February 24, 2009

    2) “And that is why I have ordered the closing of the detention center at Guantanamo Bay and will seek swift and certain justice for captured terrorists…” Speech to congress, February 24, 2009

    3) “My administration has also begun to go line by line through the federal budget in order to eliminate wasteful and ineffective programs.” I wonder if the President knows he doesn’t have a line item veto.

    4) “My immediate task is making sure that the second half of that money, $350 billion, is spent properly. That’s my first job.” Press conference February 9, 2009, talking about TARP money.

    5) “It also contains an unprecedented level of transparency and accountability, so that every American will be able to go online and see where and how we’re spending every dime. What it does not contain, however, is a single pet project, not a single earmark, and it has been stripped of the projects members of both parties found most objectionable.” Press conference February 9, 2009 talking about his own economic bill.

    6) “Second is recognition of the limits of the judicial role, an understanding that a judge’s job is to interpret, not make law, to approach decisions without any particular ideology or agenda, but rather a commitment to impartial justice…” I thought about putting this first because he was introducing Sotomayer who is on tape saying judges make policy, among other things.

    7) “It’s not just enough to change the players. We’ve gotta change the game.” He has appointed over 150 recycled Clintionistas

    8) “I opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. It should be repealed and I will vote for its repeal on the Senate floor. I will also oppose any proposal to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban gays and lesbians from marrying.” Either this is a lie or his later position where he opposes gay marriage, take your pick for number eight.

    9) “I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.” In reference to Rev. Wright 42 days before he disowned him.

    10) “To those Americans whose support I have yet to earn: I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President, too.”
    Ok this was printed in May 2009(JJBio blog) By now I presume most of what the blogger claims are lies have now been fixed as he promised, if not all (Ok I know the Wright, Gitmo and reappointing Old players haven't) but if he's fixed the other 7 I spose that's fair.

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