This is a discussion on PLeezze ... Explain how ...... within the The Political and Social Snake Pit forums, part of the Current Happenings category; Well educated rich people can create 14 trillion in debt and make the middle class feel like they did it... ...
Well educated rich people can create 14 trillion in debt and make the middle class feel like they did it...
The rich elite run this country by either being a politician or owning one .. So how is it the middle and lower class get the blame.
More amazing is they don't rise up and cast off that image by placing the blame where it lays ...
you make me chuckle
never heard the blame cast upon the middle and lower class, in fact the big blamers in American blame the same people you just did.
The problem with that is laying blame never solved a goddamned thing, which is why Democrats are so ineffectual at everything they try to do. They lay blame and then attempt to punish, and it backfires time and time again.
The American dream is there if you are willing to pursue it. Go out and create something rather than living off the wealth created by others. Even if you don't become the "wealthy elite" you will still feel good about yourself and can be happy.
guilt and self loathing are common among white liberal elite, it must suck
Obviously, you've got a different point of view, and of blame.Originally Posted by Moab
I blame ignorance and apathy.
Most of the public had no clue what was going on, and they didn't care. Politicians have been running rampant without control and they've been allowed to do so by the ignorance of the public.
Anyone that wanted something only had to ask a their politician. If they had enough leverage, the politician would jump out of their bottle like a methed up genie and grant their wish.
You say the rich elite run this country by being a politicians or owning one. What about the rich organizations and lobby groups that own the politicians?
No one can deny that the Unions are rich. They have billions to dispose of, and they don't have to show a profit. They don't have to account for how they spend it, and they don't have to report who they spend it on.
Another of the rich organizations that has come to prominence in the last decade is the Eco-Lobby or Big Green. They also control billions of dollars and have no accounting. They buy politicians as easy as Michael Moore buys a 12 pack of cheeseburgers.
So what happens when these three lobbies bump heads? Everyone wins.
Politicians get paid for bending over and giving it up for the unions.
Politicians get paid for bending over and enacting environmental laws.
And politicians get paid for bending over and giving tax breaks for the corporations so that they won't bitch about the union deals and environmental legislations.
So Big Green get new laws, and new fundraising opportunities; the Unions get big contracts for their members; and Big Corporations get big tax cuts to show to their share holders. Everyone wins.
Who get's screwed? The SMALL businesses that have no lobby; no leverage; and no warchests to buy politicians with. The fucked up part is that small businesses create most of the jobs in this country. Their taxes keep going up; their operating costs keep going up; their employee costs keep going up; and they keep having to jump through more and more hoops that the government keeps putting in their way.
What's the only option they have left? They either lay people off; raise their prices so they are no longer competitive; or close their doors and move elsewhere. No wonder we can't pull out of shit hole where in. We keep kicking the shit out of the best chance we have for recovery.
The small business owners aren't the evil that needs to be punished. They aren't trying to kill baby seals. They aren't deforesting the amazon. They aren't trying to exploit their workers. They're trying to make some money to live on and provide some jobs for people just like them.
Cut the government by 70% and get it the fuck out of the way of the small businesses and you'll see tax revenues go up; you'll see jobs created; and you'll see an economic boom.
Keep choking the small businesses out there trying to survive and we'll be in for a second dip to this recession.
The public is waking up -- apathy is being replaced by awareness and passion -- and people understand more about what's going on with the government since the Civil War. They're starting to hold the government accountable, and hopefully, the free ride that politicians and their lobbyists have had for so long is over.
Last edited by Nynus; 05-07-2011 at 02:43 PM.
Quite!Cut the government by 70% and get it the fuck out of the way
Last edited by Ezzz; Today at 06:50 AM.
I guess you don't remember states like Wisconsin, Curt, cutting workers benefits while cutting taxes for the well off. Did you forget the fight over Planned Parenthood and other programs that will help the poor?
Then the old cut government and watch the magic beans Jack got grow into these wonderful mythical jobs we've hear about since the beginning of trickle down.
Now would that be a 70% cut across the board like military and agencies jobs like DOI, (Department Of Interior) staff jobs for Congress ....
I know what the right means when they say cut in government, they are saying cut these departments, Education, Environment, Housing, Labor, VA and Energy.
What really lacks here is just what new jobs will be created to get 8 million already laid off workers and the millions laid off from the 70% cuts...
Tell me one big industry other than oil drilling .. (gasoline plants are being built in Mexico and other countries using cheap labor) that would stay in America if there were no regulations. And that would be ....... none unless the wages were dropped to 25 cents per hour.
Unions the problem ... hummm, interesting American went from 25% union to about 7% private sector today .. Please cut the crap I think you are smarter than that .... OR ... not who knows you still think cutting taxes will work.
Where during Clinton where he raised taxes on the rich, cut spending and he left office with;That while was Bush II ...there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while.
Clinton didn't do any of what you give him credit for if not for Newt Gingrich and the 1994 elections, so take all the credit you want, but the discussion of a balanced budget was not instigated by the Dems . . . It took a couple of government shut downs to drag his country ass along to black ink.
Being a working class, middle class American, I am wonder wtf you silver spooned liberal elites think you know about what it's like in the middle class. Most of us think you all are arrogant pricks, full of self loathing, trying to make yourself feel good by "helping the little guy". We tend to find "the little guy" condescending, so save your shit for the dependent class who line up for that "Obama money".
The middle class does not begrudge the rich, why should we? Are you so arrogant to think we all want to be like you?
The fact is there has not been an election in this country that meant a goddamned think since 1994 . . . Dems and Reps are two sides of the same dirty coin, congress is a con game, and the President is a joke. None of it has any real meaning to the average person.
And as I've said before, whilst the 'sharper' tax experts work for the rich and always have the advantage of not framing tax legislation, the rich will always be one step ahead of the rest. As for the rich; most are chasing that elusive dream. They think the more they have the happier they will become; they can't fathom out how people can be happier than themselves when they have less money. (bad grammar OK)The middle class does not begrudge the rich, why should we? Are you so arrogant to think we all want to be like you?
Ahem ... Clinton was president with a no veto override congress .. So he could veto any bill and sent it back ad they couldn't do shit.
Ahem .. The government shutdown undid the Gendrich gain in the house ...
So why are you willing to give us more tax cuts ..?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< This counters that in your own wordsBeing a working class, middle class American, I am wonder wtf you silver spooned liberal elites think you know about what it's like in the middle class. Most of us think you all are arrogant pricks, full of self loathing, trying to make yourself feel good by "helping the little guy". We tend to find "the little guy" condescending, so save your shit for the dependent class who line up for that "Obama money".So if is how you feel why did you support Bush II and his use of terminology that we are fighting to keep America free and the Greatest Nation on Earth ..The middle class does not begrudge the rich, why should we? Are you so arrogant to think we all want to be like you?
The fact is there has not been an election in this country that meant a goddamned think since 1994 . . . Dems and Reps are two sides of the same dirty coin, congress is a con game, and the President is a joke. None of it has any real meaning to the average person.
The GOP held congress long after the shutdowns were a memory. The shutdowns were all about a fight over balancing the budget, something the Dems wanted no part of. Clinton made a calculated shift to regain the political high ground, because he had no actual internal compass he went with the winds of popularity. I give him credit for signing off on what the GOP put forward, he gets almost half the credit for the balanced budgets of the '90's, but he certainly wasn't responsible for them.
I have some theories on tax policy, too much to get into in this thread. It is less about giving you more tax cuts than it is about not trying to raise them. and I have explained it numerous times, but once more for drill . . . . raising your tax rate won't get you to pay more $$$, you don't pay your rate now so raising it is moot. There is a downside, and that is what you do to keep on not paying your rate, this generally has an adverse affect on the economy, which doesn't hurt the rich (cuz they're rich), but does hurt everyone else.So why are you willing to give us more tax cuts ..?
I didn't support everything GWB did, never said I did. I don't support everything the GOP stands for either. I am a pragmatist not a partisan. But since I get a choice between two evils, I choose the one that is pro business over the one that is pseudo-communist
So if is how you feel why did you support Bush II and his use of terminology that we are fighting to keep America free and the Greatest Nation on Earth ..
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