Are pitbulls born or trained killers?

[billybob]

link the article... dogs rarely attack for no reason. Of course those who watched it will defend the person. Thats human nature. I'm not saying the kid did anything. Perhaps the owners of the pit bull are to blame due to how it was raised. You just never know what is really going on until you get all the facts surrounding the case.

It was on the tv news Nic. look, no one is saying you should not have any animal you want to have. You can keep boas if you want, you posted the thread and people just are relating to it. I would never make you mad, what you do is your business but to say "post the article" Is like I made it up and no dam reason for me to make it up.

[Niccivan]

It was on the tv news Nic. look, no one is saying you should not have any animal you want to have. You can keep boas if you want, you posted the thread and people just are relating to it. I would never make you mad, what you do is your business but to say "post the article" Is like I made it up and no dam reason for me to make it up.

I'm saying post the article so I can read for myself about the surrounding circumstances. That's all. You posted that a kid was mauled by a pit bull, but you dont link the article so it appears you are trying to leave out facts about what really happened. Post the entire story so people can read and get a better understanding of what happened, rather than just put it out there and "hope" that people assume it was just a bad pit bull, to try and "build your case" against pits.

I don't give two shits here if anyone approves or disapproves of me owning a pit bull. That's not the point of this thread. It's informed the misinformed about breeds of dogs and that's its generally human err that yields bad dogs. Not the dog itself.

[billybob]

All it said on the tv news was a young boy was mauled by a pit bull. He was walking down the sidewalk and witness said the dog just attacked him, the boy was doing nothing but walking, the owner said she did not understand it, the dog had always been gentle. They put the dog to sleep. Never saw an owner of a dog that hurt someone say anything else though. Trying to avoid lawsuits would be my best guess. and I have no reason to try to build a case against pitbulls, I have no dam intention of owing one and I resent you indicating I was trying to build a case and hope people assumed it was a bad pit. And according to a dog trainer friend of mine in calif, aw forget it, not worth stating.

[Niccivan]

All it said on the tv news was a young boy was mauled by a pit bull. He was walking down the sidewalk and witness said the dog just attacked him, the boy was doing nothing but walking, the owner said she did not understand it, the dog had always been gentle. They put the dog to sleep. Never saw an owner of a dog that hurt someone say anything else though. Trying to avoid lawsuits would be my best guess. and I have no reason to try to build a case against pitbulls, I have no dam intention of owing one and I resent you indicating I was trying to build a case and hope people assumed it was a bad pit. And according to a dog trainer friend of mine in calif, aw forget it, not worth stating.

Of course the owner would say that. Do you honestly think they'd fault themselves for not having the dog trained right? Exactly what you said, you'll never hear an owner of ANY dog breed, not just a pit bull, say anything other than loving things about their dog. What they fail to realize is that it is typically their fault for not properly training them and getting them the care they needed to avoid becoming aggressive.

As far as your dog trainer friend.... he's from California. They are all screwed up in the head over there so I wouldn't take anything they said seriously If you want a real dog trainers opinion on pit bulls and other aggressive breeds, go take a look a Caesar Milan's website. He has some great information regarding pit bulls and other notorious aggressive breeds. He stands by it: a dog is only as good as its owner and training. If you can't be a pack leader to your dog, don't get the dog. Some people just aren't cut out for owning a power breed.

[billynomates]

OK I know nothing about training dogs, I'm scared of pitbulls(they sense that) but remember reading an article where the pitbull attacked the owners sister because they hugged and the dog thought she was attacking his 'pack leader'. But we'll never convince you Nicci I just hope and pray you don't come on day and say 'I was wrong'.

[BCGord]

I get what you were trying to do with this thread Nicci, but there are some people you just can't reach. They have made up their minds, and that is that.

Billy, what are you trying to convince Nicci of? That her dog is a killer because of breeding? You will never convince her of it, because she does not believe it is true. Neither do I. By the way, my experience is with actual dogs, not articles written on them. I don't know if that matters to anyone or not. Just sayin'.......

[billynomates]

My only experience is with greyhounds. They are bred for speed and you breed out of the fastest. I know Bulldogs were bred to fight and they used to breed out of the best fighters. It is natural selection. I am obviously wrong about pitbulls, I apologise for my ignorance.

[BCGord]

I think maybe you read that in the "wrong tone". I was not trying to belittle you (or anyone else) in this thread. I am simply stating that unless you are willing to "hear" what the original poster is trying to say, this thread is useless. If you have a preformed notion of the breed because of things that you have read, there is no point in arguing with you. Maybe if someone did the math, they could show that the percentage of bad Pits is very small considering how many are bred every day. Especially because so many are bred by unqualified people. You just hear about the bad ones because of sensationalism and the damage that is done when a powerful dog bites someone.

[kazza1985]

OK I know nothing about training dogs, I'm scared of pitbulls(they sense that) but remember reading an article where the pitbull attacked the owners sister because they hugged and the dog thought she was attacking his 'pack leader'. But we'll never convince you Nicci I just hope and pray you don't come on day and say 'I was wrong'.

Sigh... Geoff, this shows you are ignoring Nicci's main point... if the dog had be trained and bought up properly then it wouldn't have attacked.

I don't believe all these cases where the owner of any animal that attacks humans, says that they were always so gentle and sweet bla bla bla. Sorry, but I believe there are always signs and any responsible dog/pet owner would do proper research before getting any animal and learn to read the signs. As with children, I believe in a balance of nature and nurture in how a dog behaves but as with children, the right guidance should lead their behaviour. In your example, Geoff, I'm pretty sure the article didn't say whether the dog had previously showed any possessiveness over his "pack leader".

I'm kind of umming and erring over whether I agree with Nicci's point of dogs attacking for no reason. I think some dogs do but I wouldn't blame that on their breed but I do think even if the reasons are not apparant at the time, I do think there would have been previous signs.

I just bought 3 females rats and some of my friends think I'm mad for buying "diseased unclean" animals.... pure ignorance! Rats are hygienic, social, highly intelligent rodents and my babies are gorgeous and so friendly. Goes to show that sometimes humans can be wrong