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    Lockerbie disaster

    It was impossible for one man to organise it on his own. Everyone knows there was a cover up but why?

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    Reportedly, Khaisar Haddad, known as Abu Elias, a Lebanese Christian, is the real Lockerbie bomber.

    Reportedly, Khaisar Haddad, known as Abu Elias, worked for the US government and now lives near the White House.

    An American is to be named by the Lockerbie bomber as the man who really carried out the terrorist attack on Pan Am Flight 103.

    (Scottish Sunday Express 'I'll reveal true identity of the Bomber.)

    According to The Scottish Sunday Express:

    1. Megrahi is to name the real Lockerbie bomber.

    2. The Scottish Sunday Express tracked this man down to his home in the US.

    3. The man, codenamed Abu Elias, has links to the US intelligence services.

    4. Elias works as a schools engineer for the US government.

    5. Christine Grahame Member of the Scottish Parliament , is believed to be considering naming the man in the Scottish Parliament chamber.

    She said: "It is apparent that US intelligence has known or must have known the primary suspect of the Lockerbie bombing was alive and living safely in Washington.

    "There has been a suggestion made that he is in some way an 'intelligence asset' for the US and that is why he has been allowed to live in peace.

    "He must be deeply relieved that Megrahi was forced to drop his appeal and that he will never face justice for this atrocity."

    6. Abu Elias reportedly now lives just a few miles from the White House.

    7. He is the nephew of Ahmed Jibril, the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC).

    8. A document submitted to the appeal court by Megrahi’s lawyers states: "The FBI had apparently investigated ‘X’ and knew he was the nephew of Ahmed Jibril.

    "X had met with FBI special agents [an appointment was in his diary for August 1988] but neither X nor the Department of Justice would disclose who the agents were or the precise purpose of the recorded meeting.

    "X admitted the meeting had taken place. Extracts from his US passport were revealed.

    9. Elias was also connected to Mohammed Abu Talb, an Egyptian named by Dumfries and Galloway Police as their chief suspect less than a year after the bombing.

    10. The true identity of ‘Elias’ first came to light during a closed hearing at the Lockerbie trial in 2001.

    The defence claim that attempts to investigate further were dismissed by the then Lord Advocate, Colin Boyd.

    11. In October 1988, German police raided a PFLP-GC safe house in Neuss and discovered a bomb identical to the one which exploded on board Flight 103, as well as a Pan Am timetable.

    The raid resulted in 16 arrests including that of cell leader Hafez Dalkamoni and *Marwan Khreesat, a double agent for the Jordanian intelligence service.

    Khreesat told the FBI that he had been introduced to a man called Abu Elias, an explosives and airline security expert, who had been 'giving orders'.

    12. A member of the terror cell, Mobdi Goben, disclosed Elias’s true identity in a deathbed confession which became known as the Goben Memorandum.

    Goben claimed Elias placed a bomb in the luggage of Khaled Jafar, a Lebanese American from Detroit who died on Pan Am Flight 103.

    13. A source close to Megrahi said: "Not only was Abu Elias known to the Americans .... The guy comes into the US from the former Soviet Union, he’s the nephew of Ahmed Jibril – the Bin Laden of his day – and he just strolls into the US?

    "...An American double agent was responsible for bringing down an American plane. How good a reason for a cover-up would that be?"

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    The Palestine Liberation Organization reported that the Lockerbie bomb was built by Khaisar Haddad (a.k.a. Abu Elias). (Pan Am 103 Why Did They Die? - TIME )

    Reportedly Ahmed Jibril (founder and leader of the PFLP-GC) had a base near Frankfort.

    Khaisar Haddad, known as Abu Elias, is the nephew of Ahmed Jibril.

    Reportedly, Jibril had links to alleged drugs dealer al-Kassar, who allegedly was working with the CIA in smuggling drugs into the USA on PanAm flights.

    Former UK Labour MP Tam Dalyell and Edinburgh law professor Robert Black have urged the Scottish and UK governments to answer reports that Abu Nidal was a US agent.

    "They have long believed Abu Nidal, who died in Iraq in 2002, and his PFLP-GC, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command, were responsible for co-ordinating the bomb that blew up Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie on 21 December, 1988 with the loss of 270 lives."

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    Mohamed Abu Talb
    Mohammed Abu TalbBorn in Port Said, Egypt in 1954. He participated in the first stages of the civil war in Lebanon where he - not surprisingly - was shot at in 1976, ending up as a semi-criple with a funny way of walking. To make things even worse, someone stabbed him in the back with a knife in early 1988. In 1986 he arrived in Sweden with a Moroccon passport, asking for political asylum, which he received quickly. Friends know him under his second name as "Abu Intiqam", the father of revenge.

    Aside from serving a life-sentence in Malm¯ Prison in Sweden for blowing up parts of Copenhagen, Abu Talb is also a wellknown artist: under the name Samir Abdelmajeed he has published a novel describing the life of a Palestinian boy, whos parents got killed by Israeli invasion forces. During his stay in prison, Abu Talb has been a keen writer! But his past involved military training in Egypt, Syria and the Sovjet Union.

    And he was - of course - a business man: he was eagerly involved in doing business for the PFLP-GC, a Palestinian terrorist group. He had many contacts to Malta and Cyprus. Abu Talb left Sweden to go to Cyprus on October 3rd, 1988. He stayed there until October 18th where he left for Malta and stayed there until then 26th, then he returned to Sweden.

    In Malta he made business with another Palestinian, who had a bakery and with the bakers brother; a clothes manufacturer. In Cyprus his main business associate was Amar Dajani, owner of Kings Take Away restaurant in Nicosia. He also had friendly chats with Nabil Maksoumi, a telephone engineer and member of the PFLP on the sunny island. But guess with whom Abu Talb also spent his business-holidays in Cyprus in 1988? It was a fellow criple with a plastic leg: Hafez Dalkamouni, the same man who is suspected to have manufactured and hidden bombs in Frankfurt, Germany.

    Yet Abu Talb seemed to have made another trip to Malta. The evidence list from Swedish police from the apartment of Abu Talb, dated May 18th 1989, shows an item listed as "flight ticket", route Malta, Rome, Stockholm, the ticket (with Abu Talb's name) was used November 26th, 1988.

    Does this ring a bell ? And there are more connection to the Lockerbie incident:

    1) During a razzia in the house of his ex-wife Djamila el-Magrebi, Swedish police in 1989 found a series of clothes which Abu Talb first claimed he had bought in Malta.
    2) Mohamed Abu Talb owned a brown Samsonite travel bag - at least in 1985, according to a report from the Swedish Police.
    3) A razzia in Abu Talb's apartment in Uppsala, Sweden, produced a calendar of 1988. On the page of December a circle had been drawn around the 21st.
    4) Tony Gauci, the shopkeeper of Mary's House, alternately identifies and does not identify Abu Talb when shown pictures of him.But right after the Lockerbie investigation started, he had absolutely no doubt that the man who bought the clothes that were later found among the remains of Pan Am 103 was Mohamed Abu Talb.
    5) Do I have to mention Abu Talbs many trips to Malta in November 1988 - and to Cyprus and Malta on the same trip in October 1988

    One year after Pan Am 103 blew up in the air, on December 21st 1989 in a Swedish court room Abu Talb received his sentence: life in prison. The judge asked, if he had anhything to add. "If it's a crime for a Palestinian to love his country, then I am the biggest terrorist of all!", the former artist and ex-terrorist promptly replied. But until now he has always denied that he had anything at all to do with the blowing up of Pan Am 103.
    Note: in Sweden the prison term "life" usually means about 16-20 years. A model prisoner could be free after having served 2/3 of the term. But even before release, a model prisoner can get out of prison during weekends and holidays to visit family etc.

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    is a riged fixed cheated old J*wish minority person H*ll ???
     
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    Thumbs up Old Mav realizes no not fully understand point butt of course many planed it H*ll ???

    Old Mav realizes Gpes that it takes a entire under ground net work to plan any terrorist thing alas thus many people took part in it no not exactly just only one 1 person butt alas 9 11 showed proved that Caucasians r no not totaly impervious to being attacked that they do indeed may be have a Achilies Heel although old Mav realizes those arround old Mav are impervious to even death thus death no not affects u people no not even the J*wish people six 6 million calmly walked walzed strolled to the gas chambers with out so much as a hystericial reaction alas old Mav realizes old Mav has been cheated attacked locked up many times butt did u see Gpes where that IDF Israeli soldier Schalit wuz seen possibly still alive in a video disc tape that Hamas released to the entire world and so old Mav exactly wonders exactly where the H*ll could they be hiding and so holding him Gaza Sinai where no not any body knows kind of a scarey erie thing where the H*ll could he be ??? alas old Mav realizes has to compare with 9 11 in shocking sudden sensationialism right RIGHT ??? any way manner a commercial air liner blown up r they sure it wuz deliberate sabotage England had a lotta trouble and so difficultys developing commercial air liners in the 1940 1950 decades may be it wuz a physicial flaw remote butt who knows and so like that French commercial air liner lost at sea thought to be a tropicial storm butt may be it had a bomb aboard who knows right RIGHT ??? alas old Mav no not never flys any more no not any money and so too dangerous and so no not gotta any place to go sorry right... sorry old Mav

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