Job creation vs Unions

[curtinsea]

I've been pretty outspoken against unions in previous threads, so my anti-union/pro business stance should come as no surprise. But this, to me, takes the cake.

Without threatening any existing jobs, the Boeing Company built a new factory in S.C. to build it's Dreamiliner 787. This move was spurred on by excessive labor costs due to an aggressive labor union, and their efforts to not only hold the company hostage, but they went as far as insisting on a seat on the Board.

So they sought more advantageous locations to build. They are after all competing with government subsidized European competition, and they need to do what they need to do to stay in business. All of their employees depend on it.

So the union in Seattle has filed a complaint with the NLRB, and in turn they have filed suit against the Boeing Co. to force them to bring those jobs to Washington.

Is that fair? Is this going to far? Doesn't a company have a right to set up shop where it feels is best?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...dit14nlrb.html

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/ar...st-1423811.php

[billybob]

I feel they have a right to do just what they are doing. It is sad, however when they go outside the United State. I personally think, and i have never been a union man, that unions have carried things to an extreme. In the old days unions were good, but with all the gov guide lines now, not sure they are needed.

[curtinsea]

The Boeing Co. is the most generous private employer in the state of WA, and it's still not enough to satisfy the Unions, to the point of driving the company from the state altogether. It's madness.

[Moab]

Boeing In Everett is hiring ..

[curtinsea]

Boeing In Everett is hiring ..

Indeed, which in my mind makes the charge of "retaliation" completely absurd.

[Ziximania]

Well I am here to say...I will be back to give my 2 cents after I read all the info and not just 1 thing Curt. I will read and watch 20 things then come back with an oppinion ...... But couldn't let this get to low on the front page.... Had to bump it up! I love Unions! I know you are anti-Union...so ya know I am gonna dig n dig to see truth! yeah yeah you'll say if ya have to dig it aint truth yadda yadda bull shit.....lol

[DDT]

ok...speaking of yada yada bullshit...have you had ANY dealings with unions....i have, and most of thier DEALINGS are bullshit. they have a man to start a piece of equipment, a man to stop it and a man to greese it......3 men to do the job that ONE man should do????? if you have ever ran large equipment, one man taking care of that 1 piece of equipment it runs better, it's cheaper....and WAY more cost effective...and I'm just waiting for nikki to explain how that's better....go for it sugar.

[Ziximania]

You sound like a mechanical engineer designed to cut jobs? But I could be way wrong...lol I agree you just listed the cons to the union...the trickle down affect sux too..but look at some of the positives...the saftey the union provides..as well as the better wages , benefits, and supplies more jobs.I would have to say the way the union sticks together is remarkable I think American needs to be more like one big union. No1 is able to be treated unfairly and every1 is equal.breath taken. I have only read a few things on this topic but am gonna get back to it when I read it all.
Gosh make love not war ...find a bright spot and spread some love! pssst my yadda yadda bullshit was me being me to Curt. I was not bashing him or belittling him in any way.Nothin but love for the fella! xoxo

[RoadBob]

I've been pretty outspoken against unions in previous threads, so my anti-union/pro business stance should come as no surprise.

Management agreed to the lavish labor contracts that are now strangling their companies, so they hold some blame as well.

So the union in Seattle has filed a complaint with the NLRB, and in turn they have filed suit against the Boeing Co. to force them to bring those jobs to Washington.

Crony capitalism at it's finest. Why compete in the labor market if you can find a politician or government beauracrat that will make it so you don't have to?

[curtinsea]

Management agreed to the lavish labor contracts that are now strangling their companies, so they hold some blame as well.

To say they "agreed" is to be naive . . . the machinist union went on strike for 8 weeks in 2008 (and have done so every five years for the last 20), at a cost to the company of $100 million per day