This is a discussion on It's a good day to be a Liberal within the The Political and Social Snake Pit forums, part of the Current Happenings category; Originally Posted by Niccivan Dont worry...all govt employees are required to take a 20 day furlough to ensure we play ...
Just wait until the GOP shuts down the government next week. But then again what the fuck do they care, congress still gets paid. It's everybody else that'll suffer. All government employees out of work, no SS checks for seniors(or SSI checks for people like me), and here's the real fun part... No income tax checks going out.Originally Posted by Niccivan
You can't just put that on the GOP, it is in fact the Senate that would, if it happens, be responsible for any shut down. The GOP is doing their job, what they were put in control of the house to do, cut some spending. All the Dems have to do is CUT SOME SPENDING and there won't be any shut down.
And if you think we don't need to cut some spending well then you have a fucked up way of looking at the world.
The Tea-baggers werenot sent to Congress to close down government but to make reforms. Those reforms are considered to be to much too soon.
It's always been the role of both Houses of Congress to workout the the budget .. First the House then the Senate then both have a conference make adjustments resubmit the bill which is then sent on to the President for approval or rejection .. If rejected it goes back to Congress if they have the veto overide votes they can pass the budget if not they "usually make compromises."
That's how intelligent adults work things out ... Since Reagan and the dumbing down of the Republican Party, it's my way or the highway .. And BTW the last time the Republicans shut down government they lost the house .. People of all stripes don't want a government shutdown. The cost of a government restart is not worth the brief disruption on peoples lives ...
so unless Republicans capitulate to the Democrats, it's their fault if the government shuts down?? Dems have no responsibility to compromise?
Hell they aren't even offering to cut, so I call bullshit
and let me remind you that we are only in this situation because the Dems, controlling both houses of congress and the white house, failed to pass a budget for the year.
They have no excuse
oh yeah they do, they were busy ramming health care through without debate or input from the right.
Again Curt you amaze me .. The health care debate went on for almost a year. It was a very public debate done not only on the floor of both houses but on FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC .. the Rush show along with Savage Nation, Neal Bortz. The house took a break and took the show on the road and went to town hall to town hall some had huge public debates outside state capitals. It was anything fra from being a rammed through reform with plenty of republican modifications.
first of all a government shutdown really only affects a small part of the government. social security, SSI benefits and much, much more still gets paid. it's more symbolic than anything.
and yes, it is 100% the fault of the party that controlled both houses at the time the budget was supposed to be done. what's happening now is simply what MUST be done...cuts to federal spending, the ones the democrats didn't have the stones to enact right before an election.
Which services would stop? During the last major shutdown, the government closed 368 National Park Service sites, along with national museums and monuments.
In addition, 200,000 passport applications went unprocessed, and toxic waste cleanup work at 609 sites stopped. The National Institutes of Health stopped accepting new clinical research patients, and services for veterans, including health care, were curtailed.
Work on bankruptcy cases could slow. In the last shutdown, more than 3,500 cases were delayed.
Which services would the government keep running? Agencies are allowed to perform any operations necessary for the safety of human life and protection of property.
The government would keep essential services -- like air traffic control and the national security apparatus -- in full operating mode.
Federal workers who provide medical care on the job would be kept on, as well as employees who handle hazardous waste, inspect food, patrol the borders, protect federal property, guard inmates or work in power distribution.
Workers who protect essential elements of the money and banking system would also report to work.
The Postal Service, which is self-funded, will continue to operate.
How many federal workers would be furloughed? The last time the federal government went dark was during the Clinton administration.
Some 800,000 workers were sent home during the first shutdown and 284,000 were sent home during the later shutdown.
It is unclear how many workers would be furloughed in a new shutdown. Each federal agency has its own plan to wind down operations, and administration officials have not released details.
Will Social Security benefits be mailed? During the last major shutdown, the Social Security Administration mailed checks throughout the crisis, and a close reading of established law makes clear the agency has the legal authority to do so again.
During the Clinton-era shutdown, new Social Security claims weren't being processed because the agency furloughed 61,415 employees. As the shutdown wore on, the agency adjusted its plan and recalled workers to start processing new claims.
Will troops overseas get the resources they need? Yes. While some Pentagon activities would stop, it would continue many other operations necessary for the safety of human life and protection of property.
In a statement to CNNMoney, a Pentagon spokeswoman said, "We will do everything we have to do to continue to support the deployed troops."
what matters most in life is honesty. it's never wrong to do the right thing.
let me point out that the Democrats are stalling/whining/fighting/avoiding cuts of about $30 billion, that's the difference between what the GOP is asking for and what the Dems might be willing to concede.
$30 billion vs a deficit of $1.6 Trillion. 2% of the deficit. not 2% of the budget, 2% of what we have to borrow this year. This is clown school, how can you defend this bullshit? Even cutting $100 billion is little more than a symbolic gesture, and the Dems can't go $60 Billion?
Old Mav realizes exactly Libya mission gona cost $ 30 billion it self RIGHT H*ll ???
Old Mav realizes exactly it is hard to reduce expenses when prices continue to go up and so it is 2011 and so no not 1944 right RIGHT and so old Mav is lucky they do no not take old Mav seriously and so old Mav needs a miracle sorry right... sorry old Mav
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