Health Care

[Jennie20]

This has been on my mind for some time, now. It is being written not to gain sympathy from anyone but to share one family's experience.

My mother is currently very ill and she is aware that her days are numbered. I have been able to spend time with her visiting and the subject of health care was discussed. (She suffers from liver disease). She has had occasions when she needed to visit the emergency room of the hospital. Of the times that she was there, she only saw one case where someone was denied immediate attention. It had nothing to do with insurance, but he was a minor and they delayed treatment until his guardian could be found. His friend's had dropped him off as he had OD'd on drugs. The lesson here is that no one was ever turned away because of lack of health insurance. They were taken back and tended to immediately. (It is an are of many illegals and they were treated no different.) So when you hear ANYONE from the president to your neighbor say that people are dying everyday because they lack health insurance, don't believe them.

This is a subject that I feel very strongly about as insurance is important. Until the attitudes of people are changed, it will always be a problem. No one, the government, your boss, etc. owes you insurance. Think of the people that you know and how many of them feel that the government owes them health insurance, while they go out and buy the newest and sportiest car, just because they 'deserve' it. What is next? Do people feel that the government owes them car insurance? home insurance?

Back to health care, the treatment that she receives for her illness is superior and she is your average citizen. There is no cure for it, only treatment to make her more comfortable. Again, I ask for no sympathy, only a better understanding of the healthcare system in our country.

Just one family's experience.

[Moab]

Fine ... if your employer ever offers you insurance opt out.

What we liberals are saying is if you want it but are not in a position where you can afford it or denied because of a precondition you can have it. Me I'm all for opting out I can afford the best insurance however many of my fellow humans who are not as fortunate as I also deserve the right to medical care.

Remember when the Constitution was drafted and bills added, your local physician not only would bleed you but pulled teeth and cut hair then go out and deliver a breech calf.

From the 60's to today medicine has come so far forward that the 60's treatments are considered primitive. Modern medicine advances so fact that without some control and regulation on fees and services and still have a affordable plan for the rank and file.

[WinJStar]

Jennie, thanks for sharing your story. I imagine the difficulty in comprehending the health care system. I only wish I had words to help shed some light and a clearer understanding.

[billybob]

I do not know anyone that does not want insurance, some people just work to obtain it, and i say this for the people that have no disabilities, that are able to work and just flat ass don't want to. I'm sorry, there are just wayyyy too many people that would not take a job if you offered them one, rather let the people that do work, take care of them. Sorry, it just pisses me off to see people on every government program theu can get on and drive very nice cars.

[skyguy2007]

We are hiring people all the time, it's a tough direct sales job, and means weekly travel and huge amounts of rejection... even though unemployment is at record highs, and we offer full benefits, it's still shocking how hard it is to hire someone who wants to work. If we were unionized, I bet I could hire ton of people who wouldn't work and I could never fire!

With the health care bill as it is today, nothing will change except the cost and amount of taxes needed to pay for it.

[DJQ]

The lesson here is that no one was ever turned away because of lack of health insurance. They were taken back and tended to immediately. (It is an are of many illegals and they were treated no different.) So when you hear ANYONE from the president to your neighbor say that people are dying everyday because they lack health insurance, don't believe them.

Yes, for the most part it's illegal for an E.R. in the states to turn anyone away. Of course there are little "loopholes" that a few hospitals use to get around it, but for the most part if you show up at the E.R. you will be seen by a dr. The problem is if you're suffering from something that doesn't require immediate attention to save your life, then all their gonna do is refer you to a dr. that's more qualified to handle your case. That's how people end up dying, and it's not a lie.
Where the E.R. HAS to treat you, good luck finding a specialist that'll even see you without having insurance or a ton of cash.

This is a subject that I feel very strongly about as insurance is important. Until the attitudes of people are changed, it will always be a problem. No one, the government, your boss, etc. owes you insurance. Think of the people that you know and how many of them feel that the government owes them health insurance, while they go out and buy the newest and sportiest car, just because they 'deserve' it. What is next? Do people feel that the government owes them car insurance? home insurance?

I've heard this argument my whole life, and used to believe it myself(of course that was in a previous life when I used to be a far right-wing Republican). Please understand and keep in mind that I'm not accussing you of anything personally because I don't even know you. However, I come from a VERY right-wing family(yes, I'm the black sheep LOL) and I know how they think. Every time that they complain that people are "taking advantage" of welfare or any other govt. program, they always blame it on "people of color"(I'll refrain from using the same slurs that they use). For the majority of my adult life you could say that I've pretty much always been poor, so I know many people that are/were on welfare etc. To say that they all drive nice cars and cheat the system is racist plain and simple. Yes there are people that do "cheat the system", but I would wager that the percentage of those people would be less than 5%. The rest are honest people, and most are embarrassed to admit their situation. So the argument you're using is you want to punish 95 people out of every 100 just because of the actions of the other 5 people. Something seems wrong there.

[DJQ]

We are hiring people all the time, it's a tough direct sales job, and means weekly travel and huge amounts of rejection... even though unemployment is at record highs, and we offer full benefits, it's still shocking how hard it is to hire someone who wants to work. If we were unionized, I bet I could hire ton of people who wouldn't work and I could never fire!

With the health care bill as it is today, nothing will change except the cost and amount of taxes needed to pay for it.

Man I know about that stuff!!! I used to sell $1,000 vacuum cleaners door to door back in 1985. I also tried selling other assorted things as well. Let's just say that I couldn't sell an ice cold beer to a thirsty alcoholic in the middle of the desert!

[jcbuckeye]

So the argument you're using is you want to punish 95 people out of every 100 just because of the actions of the other 5 people.

It's nice when we can make up our own stats. Do you honestly know that to be an accurate percentage? Just on the outskirts of the industrial parkway I drive to every morning I pass the housing projects. Today I saw a Lexus, 2 Mercedes and a Hummer H3 parked in front of dwellings that cost less than any of those vehicles. Get back to the abacus young man, you're numbers suck.

[DJQ]

It's nice when we can make up our own stats. Do you honestly know that to be an accurate percentage? Just on the outskirts of the industrial parkway I drive to every morning I pass the housing projects. Today I saw a Lexus, 2 Mercedes and a Hummer H3 parked in front of dwellings that cost less than any of those vehicles. Get back to the abacus young man, you're numbers suck.

If you actually had read my whole post(of course I may be expecting to much from a Faux News worshiper to be able to read), you'd have seen this...

I would wager that the percentage of those people would be less than 5%.

In other words I never said that those stats were accurate. However, after personally going through the whole process myself over the past 4-5 years, I can tell you first hand that the govt. doesn't just hand out money to anyone and everyone.

[jcbuckeye]

Good