Christmas is a Sin...

**Night Nurse** · 12-20-2008, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by DJQ

Christmas is far from the religious holiday most people think it is.

Christmas is far from the Christian religious holiday most people think it is... I agree.

Originally Posted by Mastro

not sure what bible you are reading my friend. one locked inside your head perhaps? the Catholic Church at least does endorse Christmas as 25 December. it has since 350 AD. but the tradition goes even further back, to 97 AD. basically there are two schools of thought. one school says 25 Dec was picked to compete with Roman and Persian holidays on the 25th. another says that since the Announciation is celebrated on 25 March (that is Christ's conception) his birth 9 months later would be 25 Dec. either way i'll take my chances on burning in hell by celebrating Christ's birthday. if i do end up in hell, it sure won't be because of that.

He wont be reading the Douay version that's for sure (not saying he hasn't). But the Catholics have a habit of diverting from the word of the Bible (as in the King James version). For example, it is against the commandments to worship false images... we do not know what Jesus looked like nor Mary but icons of these two are prolific in the Catholic church.... and then Saints are prayed to (isn't that like worshipping false gods?). Nowhere in the Bible does it say that men of God have to be celibate (though encourages it), the first priests were married men.... but look at Catholic figure heads, having to be single (and then look at what some do as they succumb to their sexual needs, horrifically - another subject methinks)

Originally Posted by mrkromer

Amen to that Mastro. Sounds like DJQ read some junk email and didn't check it against Snopes. lol

mike

I hope you read his other posts.......

Originally Posted by bluffmanxx

History of Christmas

I am aware of this nice to see it here, thank you.

Originally Posted by DJQ

Nice try Dougie...

Rather a long read, but it may change your idea of christmas forever...

The True Origin of Christmas

I do not think Doug needs his ideas changing as I cannot see anything he stated as incorrect. You both agree on the pagan sentimentality.

Originally Posted by DJQ

One more...

I would hazard a guess that the false Christ is in fact the different branches of Christianity. Not a false prophet but more of the branches not adhering to Biblical teachings. How many of the branches call God Jehovah? It is in the Bible. Is this a throwback from the Jewish religion that many (if they still do not) feared him to name him, and we are still left with doubt that Yahweh is his name... anyway I digress.

Originally Posted by bluffmanxx

I do however seriously question why you felt the need to come in and shit all over the Christmas beliefs and practices of others.

Isn't he just speaking his mind? As we are all welcome to do here.

Originally Posted by kazza1985

Surprised my mum hasn't been in here yet

She was going to cancel christmas when we were younger

because of Jehova Witnesses belief that Jesus wouldn't have been born in the Winter. Glad she dropped that idea

Sin or no sin, I'll celebrate. Besides im a spiritualist so i dont believe in hell so not a place i'll be going.

I still have trouble celebrating Christmas... it is far toocommercial, even the message of Christmas is forgotten and tradition rules.

Originally Posted by DJQ

If you even bothered to read any of it(which I doubt), you'd have seen that by celebrating christmas you are worshiping a "false" Christ. Seems to me the bible has a few things to say about things like that.

So let's add it up shall we?

Celebrate christmas= worshipping a false god... Worship a false god= go to hell.
HMMMMM, Sounds to me that by celebrating christmas you're condemming yourself to hell.

You can't argue with facts. Although I know so many religious "zealots" will try. It's so fun to watch them(the religious zealots) contradict themselves time after time. All the while believing that they're right and everyone else is wrong.

Different Bibles have different interpretations of hell... to me living on this earth is hell.

Originally Posted by billynomates

Frank your'e mixing things up. Most Christians celebrate the fact that Jesus was born, that happens to be celebrated on December 25th yes it has pagan overtones, but people aren't celebrating the day for that reason, they are celebrating Jesus!

wishful thinking Geoff.... like I said it's commercial

Originally Posted by SimplyCynthia

Frank,

You said, "the bible says that people that celebrate anything like it is guilty of a terrible sin." I'm still waiting to see the scripture reference on that. As a lifelong student of the Bible, I know the Bible says no such thing.

Celebrations in themselves are no sin, but the reference to the giving of presents on birthdays being wrong I believe is mentioned (any Jehovah witness could prob quote the verse), hence Christmas, and especially with its Pagan history.

**SimplyCynthia** · 12-20-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Night Nurse

Celebrations in themselves are no sin, but the reference to the giving of presents on birthdays being wrong I believe is mentioned (any Jehovah witness could prob quote the verse), hence Christmas, and especially with its Pagan history.

There is nothing in the Bible that prohibits celebrations or gift-giving. Trust me on this.

**bluffmanxx** · 12-20-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Night Nurse

Isn't he just speaking his mind? As we are all welcome to do here.

sure he is, and i stated that i would not question his beliefs.

i still don't understand why he created a thread that was obviously going to piss people off - based on interpretations he believes and calls facts. when it comes to religion i think we should let people believe as they wish and refrain from the negativity, even if we have issue with the belief or celebrations.

shall we call BankOutlaw in to speak his mind about muslims and their traditions and holidays??

or shall we find a nazi jew hater to speak his mind about Jewish traditions and beliefs??

would they be welcomed as well??

finally, i was questioning WHY frank made this thread, not if he should be allowed to do it. i can only think of two reasons and neither reflect well on him.

**Night Nurse** · 12-20-2008, 02:36 PM

Doug you have mentioned haters of peoples, are you saying Frank is a hater of Christians? I believe from past and present threads Frank hates what he sees as hypocrisy within Christianity. BTW I'm not speaking on his behalf just my impression.

As for creating threads that piss people off ermmmmmmmm didn't we see plenty of that during the presidential election? Are not all the threads in this forum created to get a reaction?

**voodoo1215** · 12-20-2008, 02:42 PM

I am sooooo goin to hell

**voodoo1215** · 12-20-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Night Nurse

Doug you have mentioned haters of peoples, are you saying Frank is a hater of Christians? I believe from past and present threads Frank hates what he sees as hypocrisy within Christianity. BTW I'm not speaking on his behalf just my impression.

As for creating threads that piss people off ermmmmmmmm didn't we see plenty of that during the presidential election? Are not all the threads in this forum created to get a reaction?

i got the impression that frank hates everything... maybe im wrong..

**WinJStar** · 12-20-2008, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo1215

i got the impression that frank hates everything... maybe im wrong..

Frank Loves me.

**Night Nurse** · 12-20-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by SimplyCynthia

There is nothing in the Bible that prohibits celebrations or gift-giving. Trust me on this.

I'm specifically on about birthdays and THE (so-called) birthday of Christ...

Are Birthday Celebrations Christian?

I googled

but yes it is the same website that Frank found his info.

Birthday celebrations are mentioned in the Bible on three separate occasions and, in each case, something terrible occurred.

The first account is in Genesis. Pharaoh, the Egyptian king, celebrated his birthday by executing his chief baker (Gen. 40:1-23).

In the second account, the New Testament figure Herod the tetrarch reluctantly ordered the beheading of John the Baptist (Matt. 14:3-11).

The final account is found in the book of Job. The Bible says that Job’s seven sons “went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them” (Job 1:4). These parties were obviously not centered around any kind of celebration related to God, or Job would not have worried that his children may have sinned during these celebration feasts. He was not exactly sure what was going on in their minds, but the very celebration of their birthdays triggered great concern in him (1:5). Apparently, during the birthday party of Job’s oldest son, God allowed Satan to kill all ten of Job’s children through what appears to be a tornado (vs. 6-13, 18-19).

Further proof that these birthday celebrations displeased God is found in Job 3. Take time to read the entire chapter carefully. Job spends much time cursing every aspect of the day of his birth. The loss of all of his children, due to a birthday celebration, stunned and sobered him. His words make plain that there is nothing good about the day of a man’s birth. He openly cursed the day he was born. This will be shown to have greater meaning later in this article.

As for Christmas....

God does not even record the exact day His Son was born. And nowhere in the Bible can you find examples of Christ’s disciples or the New Testament Church celebrating His birthday. However, God does tell us the exact month and day when His Son died (Ex. 12; Lev. 23:4-5; Num. 9:1-5; Matt. 26:1-2; John 18:28; I Cor. 5:7). He expects all true Christians to observe that day annually, in the same month, on the same date (I Cor. 5:7-8).