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This is a discussion on $ 1 4 , 2 7 5 , 4 5 5 , 9 0 9 , 8 5 3 . 1 5 and growing within the The Political and Social Snake Pit forums, part of the Current Happenings category; 14,275,455,909,853.15 The estimated population of the United States is 310,361,618 so each citizen's share of this debt is $45,996.20. The ...

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    $ 1 4 , 2 7 5 , 4 5 5 , 9 0 9 , 8 5 3 . 1 5 and growing

    14,275,455,909,853.15

    The estimated population of the United States is 310,361,618 so each citizen's share of this debt is $45,996.20.

    The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $4.08 billion per day since September 28, 2007! Concerned?

    The Republican answer it to make permanent my tax cut from 35% to 25% and close the tax loopholes ... Really! Do you really think they will close GE loopholes that allowed them to pay zero taxes on 14 billion profit ... That Profit, not gross income. GE made 5 billion from it's American operations and not only paid a big zero was given a 3 billion tax benefit .. making over 8 billion in America alone.

    Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign, was rewarded when the company’s CEO, Jeffrey Immelt, was hired to join the Obama administration as chairman of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Immelt knows all about jobs– under his stewardship, GE laid off 21,000 American workers and closed 20 factories. According to ABC News, more than half of the company’s workforce is now located outside of the United States. His selection to head the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness is nothing short of shocking.
    Makes me SOoooo happy to know Obama, is really a Republican and will make me richer ..

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    gotta reign in spending, and yes, increase revenues.

    "Deficit reduction" is a con, regardless of which side is selling it. If $4.1 trillion over 10 years is only a reduction, wtf kind of deficits are they projecting? spent almost a trillion on a stimulous package, then why are we still having trillion plus deficits every year forever?

    Plenty of blame to go around

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    Typical for you ... Wow .... about that GE, huh! Doesn't phase you in the least. You'll tale a drop in the bucket from a Clinic that saves lives and Bash'm in the process but ignore GE ... What's GE gonna do for you Curt?

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    I don't know anything about this GE thing you are talking about, they haven't mentioned it on MSNBC . . . . lol

    I'm not giving GE a pass, didn't I just say we needed some revenue increases as well? Taxes alone are not going to fix the problem, especially just "taxes on the rich' cuz you rich people have accountants that will make sure you don't actually feel a tax increase anyway, that much we have already established.

    Plenty of painful choices have to be made when you simply cannot afford everything. We cannot continue to expand the budget of the Federal Government they way it is going. That means spending cuts. Real spending cuts, and at least the Republicans have gotten the conversation moved in that direction, though I do think it is too little too late.

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    Ive been saying it for years, but at the risk of getting boring ill say it again. The US is Bankrupt!!!!

    The funny thing is no-one seems to want to know the real reason why, they just whine about whos gonna get fucked hardest.

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    You're 100% correct MF, they want no one to know why!

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    I'd like to know why . . . . enlighten me

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    Really you don't know ... The rich have known for years that's why we go off shore ..

    Think really hard .. how many rich got hurt in the housing collapse ... or the bank debouc'o ... right ..... Give that man a cigar none it was the middle class being pulled further down .. while the middle got hurt in mortgages and their savings and retirements my net worth went up .. and you want to give us more tax breaks .... lol

    EASTON, Md. — April 11, 2011 — When you read about GE paying no corporate federal taxes in 2010 while getting a $3.2 rebate, does your blood start to boil?
    If you listened to the corporate whining, you probably thought companies like GE paid 35% in federal taxes. Not so. It’s a rare company that ponies up that amount.
    For too long the American public has been hornswoggled by this century’s “robber barons.”
    Remember, it was our tax dollars that saved the hides of many of these multinationals with colossal bailouts, and how do they say thanks?
    By not paying their taxes. Nada, zero, zilch. And it’s legal, thanks to Congress.
    However, I am betting you’ll pay your 2010 taxes on April 15th.
    It is shameful that our giant corporations ship American jobs abroad, leaving our workers on unemployment insurance. These same businesses then have the nerve not to pay their fair share.
    Want to know who these corporate culprits are? Look no further than the Wall of Shame where you will find the top ten Corporate Tax Dodgers, many who brought this country to the brink of an economic meltdown.
    An employee walks past a Boeing 767 under assembly. (Photo: Associated Press)

    WALL OF SHAME
    The Outrageous Top Ten in Alphabetical Order
    1. Bank of America took $336 billion in bailouts in 2009, but in 2010 when flush with $4.4 billion in profits, it paid no taxes. Even Forbes magazine asked, how is that possible? Probably thanks to their 115 offshore tax havens.
    2. Boeing just received $35 billion from our government to build 179 airborne tankers, but despite nearly $10 billion in profits from 2008 to 2010, it too paid no taxes, again thanks to foreign tax havens.
    3. Citicorp took $476 billion from the bailout and then made monster profits in 2010, yet it paid no taxes, thanks to 427 subsidiaries in tax havens like the Cayman Islands and Hong Kong.
    4. Exxon/Mobil, received huge oil subsidies from the government, earned $45 billion in 2009 but paid no taxes, again thanks to stashing profits in places like the Bahamas and Singapore.
    5. GE – see last week’s column for the stats and facts on this corporation’s tax dodge.
    6. Google utilizes a technique that moves most of its income through Ireland and Netherlands to Bermuda, making its tax rate 2.3 percent.
    7. Mega Pharmaceuticals Merck earned $9 billion in profits and paid no taxes in 2010 and Pfizer (largest drug maker) owed $10 billion in taxes but found the necessary loopholes, thus paying no taxes, thanks to its offshore subsidiaries in places like Luxembourg and the Isle of Jersey.
    8. News Corporation, Rupert Murdoch’s media monolith that owns Fox News, avoids paying American taxes through its 152 subsidiaries in tax havens from the British Virgin Islands to Hong Kong.
    9. Verizon, despite making $24.2 billion in pre-tax US income, paid no taxes and actually claimed a federal refund of $1.3 billion refund for the last two years, again all thanks to those offshore subsidiaries.
    10. Wells Fargo, the fourth largest bank in the US, which took $107 billion in bailouts, wrote off all its losses by acquiring Wachovia, thus paying no taxes. Yet its CEO earned $5.6 million in cash for his salary and $13 million in stock.
    Don’t you wish you could stay where you live now but declare your income in Bermuda or the Grand Cayman Islands? Then you could go visit your money and write it off as a business trip.
    The GAO (the Government Accountability Office) found that 18,857 US companies keep a post office box in one five-storey building in the Cayman Islands.
    In fact, 80 percent of the largest US corporations use offshore tax havens. Little wonder 57 percent of these companies paid no federal income taxes for at least one year from 1998 to 2005.
    How Corporations Get Away with It

    So where are our elected officials and loud mouth politicians on this topic? Pretty quiet, aren’t they?
    That is except for Presidential Wannabe Newt Gingrich, who during a recent interview excused Arch Coal, the second largest coal supplier in the US, which paid no taxes in 2009 on its $42 million profit.

    Sounds like small potatoes when compared to what other corporations are doing, but pay attention to Gingrich’s logic.
    He defended corporate tax loopholes, saying,“They are an incentive, not a loophole. We should celebrate that as a good thing.”
    Gingrich went on to say that these companies “employ thousands…of people [who] are contributing a lot to America.” (http://www.youtube.com)
    In other words, we workers will pay the taxes, but not the corporations. Sounds a lot like Leona Helmsley, who famously said, “Only the little people pay taxes.”
    What Gingrich doesn’t say is that Arch Coal made a direct $100,000 contribution to his political committee, American Solution for Winning the Future.
    Nor does he reveal that Arch Coal is notorious for cutting off the top of mountains to dig for coal, leading the EPA to revoke the permit to slice off the tops of some of West Virginia’s pristine mountains.
    No wonder corporations court politicians. As Deep Throat so wisely told reporter Bob Woodward,“Always follow the money.”
    What Would Happen If Corporations Paid Up?

    Often you’ll hear someone rhapsodize about lowering the corporate tax rate to 25%, as though that would suddenly give corporations a moral compass.
    So let’s dare to dream big and assume that corporations would suddenly feel a surge of social responsibility, deciding to pay their taxes like the rest of us.
    No more loopholes for them. No more offshore tax havens. No more accounting gimmicks. The result? Billions of dollars in tax revenue
    But the reality is that instead of focusing on tax loopholes, the Republicans are eager to take a scalpel to the IRS, cutting $600 million from its budget. The result? The IRS would collect $4 billion less in revenue.
    With that kind of muddled thinking, it’s no wonder so many of us hold out little hope that there will be any meaningful tax reform done by this Congress.
    It is going to take taxpayer anger to light a fire under these guys.
    Americans need to do what military families did to keep the Republicans from closing down the government and delaying their pay. They deluged the offices of their Representatives with stories of what a government shut down would do to their lives without those paychecks.
    Taxpayers’ voices can only be heard if raised.
    The Wall of Shame should be hanging in every Congressional office. Congress should be as furious as we are at these corporations.
    Talk is cheap and to continue to do nothing is a price America can no longer pay.

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    Round and round Moab, you go round and round.

    Let's be clear. I don't want to give you a tax break. I would like you to pay the nominal rate you are supposed to. But that isn't going to happen, and increasing your nominal rate isn't going to make it happen. We (The US) use the tax code to manipulate society in many ways. We give tax breaks as incentives to get those with money to do with it things that have an overall positive effect on the economy. It often doesn't seem fair, from some points of view, but it isn't all a "scam" by and for the rich.

    There are truths that you, and those of your ilk, would like to ignore.

    The rich will do what is necessary to avoid paying taxes. By your own admission, you pay far less than the nominal rate for your income bracket. Around one-fourth I think it was. Raising your nominal rates will do little in the way of bringing income into the treasury. But it would have side effects.

    Let's say for a moment that we drop all tax deductions for those with incomes above $250K, and make your nominal rate 32%. For the sake of argument, let's peg your income at $1 million. Now, would you pay $320K of that in income taxes?

    No, I don't think you would. What I think would happen is that you would find a way to bring your reported income down to just under that $250K threshold. Yes, you would still make your million, or around there, but you would do what is necessary to not have it as reported income. Moving investments offshore is an easy one. My definition of rich is when your money works for you, rather than you working for your money. Your money can work for you anywhere in the world. It is far better for America if your money is working here than somewhere else.

    I have deliberately over simplified to try and demonstrate my point, which is, that while I would rather you paid more in taxes, the unintended consequences of trying to squeeze some more out of you will be worse in the long run than where we are now.

    I truly believe that no matter what your nominal tax rate is, you won't pay any more in taxes than you do now. So there is no benefit in raising that nominal rate. However, there could be, not necessarily would be, but could be, a cost for raising that rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motherfunky View Post
    Ive been saying it for years, but at the risk of getting boring ill say it again. The US is Bankrupt!!!!

    The funny thing is no-one seems to want to know the real reason why, they just whine about whos gonna get fucked hardest.

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    True, true true !!!! In that population count Moab, is that counting the illegals we are supporting also ? Cause we all know they just receive, they do NOT help like tax paying citizens do.

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