Mere Coincidence ?

**StevieJS** · 03-05-2010, 01:50 PM

Here's one for Greg, Dougie, and anyone else who wants to comment...
I have always had suspicions about card sites being rigged.. They claim that they are not rigged because the dealt cards are "randomly generated", and their revenue is only generated via the rake on any given hand.
The rake income is exactly the way they cheat... The more money that goes into the pot, the more money the card room makes... Go figure

So, lets just say I'm right on this. How would I go about it ?

Here's an example of what I would do

I would deal the player under the gun KK
I would deal the player on the button JJ
I would deal the player in the Big Blind AA
All the other players I would deal crap

Notice the dude in the BB is last to act and has the best starting hand - AA
Notice the schmuck under the gun has the second best starting hand - KK
Notice the even bigger schmuck on the button has the worst starting hand - JJ But has position

Here's an example of what exactly would happen.

Hand#2160014161000839 - Calgary 14161 -- $0.10/$0.20 NL Hold'em -- 2010/03/05 - 21:41:47
Seat 1: SAHA***1 ($19.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Kush***2 ($10 in chips)
Seat 3: got***3 ($6.15 in chips) DEALER
Seat 4: 33di***4 ($2.03 in chips)
Seat 5: ourk***5 ($15.99 in chips)
Seat 7: StevieJS ($17 in chips)
Seat 8: indo***8 ($5.88 in chips)
Seat 9: minh***9 ($10.87 in chips)
Seat 10: Lego***10 ($4 in chips)
33di***4: posts small blind $0.10
ourk***5: posts big blind $0.20
Kush***2: posts big blind $0.20
Dealt to StevieJS [Ks,Kh]
StevieJS: calls $0.20 I like to flat call under the gun with a monster, hoping for a raise
indo***8: folds
minh***9: folds
SAHA***1: raises to $1.10 One raise - this is good
Kush***2: folds
got***3: calls $1.10A call! even better
33di***4: folds
ourk***5: raises to $4.90Another raise ??? Hmmm
StevieJS: is all in 16.8000 Had a worried feeling, and went into the tank - Maybe should have called (But the end result would have been the same) but moved all in
SAHA***1: folds
got***3: is all in 5.0500Call
ourk***5: is all in 11.0900 call
StevieJS: returns uncalled bet $1.01
got***3: shows [Jh Jc]
ourk***5: shows [Ac As]
StevieJS: shows [Ks Kh]
*** FLOP *** [8c,7d,Td]
*** TURN *** [6c]
*** RIVER *** [Qc]
***SHOW DOWN***
ourk***5: wins $18.70 with Pair of Aces
***SHOW DOWN***
ourk***5: wins $18.86 with Pair of Aces

The fact that 3 players got these starting hands is suspicious, who got dealt them confirms to me that it was a set-Up

By the way, I told the winner "nh"

**voodoo1215** · 03-06-2010, 11:43 PM

here ya go stevie.. it happens live as well

**LeanTo133** · 03-07-2010, 08:21 AM

Wow!!!

**spaceboy761** · 03-07-2010, 09:51 AM

I think the explanation that there's a glitch in the randomizer is much more likely. There's no such thing as a randomizer... just a bunch of coding tricks that programmers can use to get the distribution as random as possible.

**spaceboy761** · 03-07-2010, 09:53 AM

And the guy with JJ made a terrible call. JJ blows three-handed.

**Ezzz** · 03-07-2010, 04:48 PM

Not that this is relevant. But wayyyyyyyy back at pokerroom. I saw 7 players at a 10 man table have pocket pairs. I saw six of them. I had and pre flop folded the 7th pair. This was in a mtt btw.

**WinJStar** · 03-07-2010, 05:00 PM

Some of you may know, but my first year in Vegas a coordinated the WSOP for Pokernews. Our huge hand replay was one of the best I had ever seen during the main event. AA vs KK vs QQ - 23456 was the board and they chopped. Lol, the guys with KK and QQ were sweating. If I were in that hand, I guarantee I'd have Qs and it would have played out differently

**StevieJS** · 03-07-2010, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by WinJStar

Some of you may know, but my first year in Vegas a coordinated the WSOP for Pokernews. Our huge hand replay was one of the best I had ever seen during the main event. AA vs KK vs QQ - 23456 was the board and they chopped. Lol, the guys with KK and QQ were sweating. If I were in that hand, I guarantee I'd have Qs and it would have played out differently

hahaha... You still have issues with QQ I see boss

Oh, and btw... The hand in question that I detailed was at another poker room not LP (Just thought I would clear that up)

**VampireRed** · 03-08-2010, 10:27 AM

I don't believe that online poker is rigged . I believe the cards are random. Just because someone hits a 1 outer on me I don't think that it is rigged, I tell myself good job for getting my money in in such a dominating position.

I don't think it is rigged at all. the cards are shuffled and random.