Collusion During Special Event

[Savannah D]

My vote? Perma ban, BOTH of them.... ONE player ONE hand... Anything else is fucking cheating and if they were caught doing it in most of the card games I play in here, being banned would be the LEAST of their fucking worries.

For the record the ONLY reason I don't say perma ban THEN send them to MY house for a "very special weekend in Derek's soundproofed room" is because I know it's not only not legal, it's not possible...

It's just this simple, you want to give someone advice on how they SHOULD have played some hand, FINE, that's AFTER the fact... You want to give a player general advice about even a specific player, as in "Player X plays tight except with THIS hand, so watch for it." Again FINE... because it's not going on DURING the game, hand by hand... That's why you're not allowed to talk on the fucking phone at any card table in ANY cardroom, in ANY casino I've ever been in... At least not about the fucking game...

There IS no decision here, it's cheating and they should be perma banned from playing, EVER AGAIN HERE, period... Moreover, seize their assets if it's anything more then what they've deposited (I have the feeling it's not though) and try to make sure they don't play here again.... While you're at it, take a page from the B&M casinos and tell EVERYONE that they're cheats and try your hardest to make sure they can't play ANYWHERE!!!

but while I'm here.... I'd like to take this opportunity to kick these two morons while they're down... (I normally don't, but in this case, I feel justified)


1. Wow this "student" must be either KNOW they're THE WORST player here, or must be a COMPLETELY lackey to have to "dial in" each and EVERY fucking hand... Really??? And addressing their "coach" as "master"... Shit... I don't get offended by much, but I'm fucking offended as hell at the cheapening of the word... actually BOTH of those words....

Note to the "player" anyone who's OK with breaking one of the cardinal fucking rules of the game doesn't deserve THAT title, EITHER of them... and if I hear you use it again, legal or not, I'll find a way to track your sorry ass down and tune you up so well you'll never THINK to call anyone but ME "Master". (hypothetically speaking of course... )

2. I AM correct in understanding that the reason there's debate over this is that they were never at the table together at the same time, correct? Because otherwise there'd be NO discussion. So this "coach" wasn't in the game, but HAD the time to sit through every hand??? But wasn't willing to put their OWN money on their OWN skill.... Hmmmm.... Sounds like someone KNOWS they're completely and TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT...

If you knew all the fucking angles, jackass, you wouldn't be giving away specifics to morons, you be in the games yourself making a living on your own reads... So you must be a VERY good con artist to scam some re-re into thinking you're Saint Cheater the Know-it-all... Maybe not, I mean how good of a scam man do you have to be to fool an obvious idiot like this???

FUCK 'EM BOTH...


Oh, and no matter if they get banned or not... Their identities should be made COMPLETELY public to all of US... The NON-CHEATING PLAYERS...

[Savannah D]

PS... I actually think this is a PERFECT example, (and actually a worthy one) to prove the ethics here are WAY above board... by making an example out of these two losers.

[jcbuckeye]

String em Up!

[1WorldHoldem]

Judging by most of the replies here I think most of you would be very shocked to know just how often things like this actually happen .. Though I would not do this myself, I personally do not see this as colluding (as long as "coach" was not in the same game) .. very embarrassing for the player maybe, but I do not see coaching as colluding. If this was 2 people playing in the same game, then yes I would say punish to the max.

[Niccivan]

^^^good point. If the coach wasn't playing, then it's not colluding. We even had a mentor game set up here once where each player had a coach on the sideline helping players to make moves.

[Mastro]

Nicci - with all due respect, there is about a million % difference between our mentor games and the TOC and LPI. discussing hands happens often, probably during many of our games, but when players are spending $25 plus tourney fees (plus added money for the TOC) these discussions give an unfair advantage IMO. LP has a "note" feature where you can document information about other players, that should be used, not live chat during play. Savannah had a great point, you cannot talk on your cell while playing a hand. some casinos make you leave the table to even answer your phone....

[Savannah D]

^^^good point. If the coach wasn't playing, then it's not colluding. We even had a mentor game set up here once where each player had a coach on the sideline helping players to make moves.

That's different, it's a MENTOR game... it's out in the open... Everyone at that table KNOWS there's a coach with everyone else, and they have one too... That's not what happened here... (for the record, I don't agree with "mentor games" either, I can't even say WHY exactly, since it's all out in the open, but it just FEELS wrong to Me)

Take your cue from the B&M card rooms, would this fly at the Bellagio card room? One person "coaching" another, in secret, hand by hand....

Short answer... No it would fucking NOT.

No, it's not colluding, still it's cheating and it's wrong.

[Niccivan]

The reason I think it's a good point, is because I'd say the "punishment" should be lessened if the coach wasn't playing. I think the level of cheating goes down a bit when the other person isn't playing because they aren't colluding.

[1WorldHoldem]

This may be a good time to write up some rules for your private games if you think this should not be allowed .. in my opinion, it would be very hard to punish someone for coaching if it is not said somewhere that coaching is not allowed.

these discussions give an unfair advantage IMO

was this coach a pro? .. I don't see much of an advantage here

[Savannah D]

Judging by most of the replies here I think most of you would be very shocked to know just how often things like this actually happen .. Though I would not do this myself, I personally do not see this as colluding (as long as "coach" was not in the same game) .. very embarrassing for the player maybe, but I do not see coaching as colluding. If this was 2 people playing in the same game, then yes I would say punish to the max.

Oh, I'm not shocked in the slightest... Hell, a part of Me expects it in every game I play online, even with players I "trust" but it's still cheating and it's still wrong, and it should NOT be tolerated... You know, if the online poker community spent more time worrying about issues like THIS, and MUCH LESS time worrying about what we're talking about in the public forums, I'd put more of My bankroll online...