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**NoAngel2u** · 11-15-2010, 01:23 PM

The Quantum Photon Shuffler

At the core of every card room is a card shuffler which customers must know is 100% random.
The Quantum Photon Shuffler is an unpredictable, scientifically-proven quantum-mechanical process inside a special, impregnable, hack-proof "black box".

Based on the Quantis RNG, it generates purely random data using the simple, yet highly reliable and secure, mathematical representation of the behaviour of photons (particles of light) when fired through a half-mirror. This is a mirror which allows only 50% of all light to be reflected while the other 50% passes through. As it is impossible to tell whether a specific photon will pass through or be reflected, the resulting data is totally random, both statistically and mathematically.

Then, just to be sure, the output of the RNG is monitored for randomness. If the data is clean, the string of code is translated into a freshly shuffled deck. This process is repeated again on the shuffled deck - i.e. a double shuffle.

The cards are then sent along a secure, encrypted line to the table.

It makes Luvin Poker wonder what the competition's doing...

Over at the competition:

CEO: "They do what?"

SCIENTIST: "They generate purely random data by firing particles of light through a half-mirror which allows only half of that light to be reflected while the other half passes through."

CEO: "Yeah, so what?"

SCIENTIST: "So, since it's impossible to tell whether a photon will pass through or be reflected, the resulting data is a totally random string of ones and zeros, or binary code. It's simple, really, but the result is a highly reliable, secure mathematical representation."

CEO: "Okay, so... let me get this straight. I bought all these computers and I'm paying this team of math freaks - and all Luvin Poker has to do is shine a flashlight through a piece of glass??"

SCIENTIST: "A laser."

CEO: "A laser...."

SCIENTIST: "A laser."

CEO: "...and a piece of glass."

SCIENTIST: "Yes, through a half-mirror. And it's patented."

CEO: "They patented a piece of glass?"

SCIENTIST: "...with the laser."

CEO: "Well then, don't just stand there! Go get me a glass -- of water! And some aspirin while you're at it!"

SCIENTIST: "Yes, sir."

**wabbit** · 11-15-2010, 01:39 PM

I'm not buying any of this ONLINE POKER "RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR BS.." & BUCK ROGERS "Quantum Photon Shufflers"

Today's poker topic kiddies..

The dreaded "RNG" & a little thing called a "Quantum Photon Shuffler"

This Sunday morning.. I was reading my ALL IN poker mag with the sun shining in the window.. doing not much really, scanning my face-book, twitter (Xfilespoker) while doing my normal sunday thing.. slamming down my 2nd big gulp coffee. Then I got this message on FACE-BOOK - (My face-book gets the most action l8tly for some reason...)

So anyways the message was from an old friend on mine - Poker instructor "AL Spath" It was a link to a site called Virtue-poker - and since I respect Al - I had to go and take a look.

For some reason.. my gut tells me something seems way off here (Online poker today) - and hm mm how can I say this.. hm mmmmm..over SOLD maybe?.. I guess?

No dis-respect towards Al Spath.. (I suggest you learn poker from this man) He only suggested the link.

First off.. Let's break it all down and take a look the name of this site.. "Virtuepoker" - The name itself says - SAFE. BUILT by PEOPLE WHO CARE.

(Why the need to pump safety & Integrity with an on-line poker site?) Are poker players unhappy with the OLDER sites?

I notice.. when I open the Virtuepoker's site that it is a set-up of buttons (links and names of links) that I've seen recently on another new poker site by a different name.. It's very close if not an exact match.. (Forgive me for not knowing the name) but it WAS the same setup.... OK, no biggie.. - This is what we call a "NETWORK of computer poker sites" in the on-line poker world. Virtuepoker is a SKIN site - I got no problem with that.. But still, something is just not right?

Why is there a need for a lot of the newer names of poker sites to be bundled up and wrapped around a stamp of being SOLID.. SAFE.. Using words like INTEGRITY & VIRTUE? How many players did online poker rake over the coals the last 10 years? (I see a shift in marketing)

Should we expect the book to give us what the cover is selling???... Should we BELIEVE these pitches because of what we read on a few of the poker sites links or in a poker magazine? Why do these new sites have to OVER SELL these pitches all of a sudden? Was RNG'S an issue? (I sure do think so.. and so do many of my pals playing on-line.. There are quite a few that left on-line all together.. In a nut shell... I know with all my heart I'm not alone here)

I've been in sales many years - and I can tell you - there are many times when a salesman can OVERSELL-PUSH and lose customers that they ALREADY HAD in the bag. It's never a good thing to PUSH too hard. Better to just show the buffet and let the customer choose what they like. Quality sure does help as well.. DO WE REALLY HAVE THE BEST and SAFEST POKER WHEN WE PLAY ONLINE?

The big questions I'll ask you to answer today is..

DO WE (Should we) BELIEVE WHAT WE READ ABOUT A POKER WEB SITES SECURITY and RNG to be 100% true? If the site SAYS they have "INTEGRITY" - Should we just believe this as FACT? (I'd like to see time and time again what a poker site is doing to give me a fair shot at winning.. To date - I don't think any these sites prove to us that we are getting a REAL RANDOM SET OF CARDS.. I'm not sure from talking to some computer nuts that TRUE RANDOM by a computer can ever be had...

I've seen too many KEY hand situations where LONG SHOTS.. crush quality cards and even more.. QUALITY PLAY.. I've seen this with various accounts. Mine, friends.. People I've railed/teach etc.. etc..)

Enough of my babble..

Let's look into the Virtue poker sites "INTEGRITY" link - the pop down menu gives you an option to see what their RNG is all about .. (It's the best!) Is it? I dunno.. Maybe.. It would be fantastic to KNOW that we as players are getting TRUE RANDOM. WHY the really fancy word OVER SELL??.. If ever I've seen an oversell like the 20 year old salesman at the car lot.. This is it! OK - enough of my thoughts.. YOU MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND... This is how the powers that be explain their RNG.

Virtuepoker's Real Random Card Shuffler

We're convinced that our card shuffling system is the best one out there. In fact, we're so convinced that we built an on-line poker room around it.
Our "Quantum Photon Shuffler" is essentially an unpredictable, scientifically- proven quantum-mechanical process inside a special, impregnable, 'hack-proof' "black box".
All on-line casinos use an RNG, but not all RNG'S are the same. Of course, for security reasons, we can't tell you exactly how ours works; but we can give you an idea:

At the start of every game, the table asks for a freshly shuffled deck.
The Shuffler requests a clean set of random data from the RNG.
The RNG generates purely random data using the simple yet highly reliable and secure mathematical representation of the statistically random behavior of photons (particles of light) when fired through a half-mirror - or a mirror which allows only 50% of all light to be reflected while the other 50% passes through. As it is impossible to tell whether a photon will pass through or be reflected, the resulting data is a totally random string of ones and zeros, or binary code.
Just to be sure, the Shuffler monitors the output of the RNG for randomness.
If the data is clean, the string of code is translated into a freshly shuffled deck.
This process is repeated again on the shuffled deck - i.e. a double shuffle.
The cards are then sent along a secure, encrypted line to the table - a freshly double-shuffled deck.
Before each card is dealt out, a re-shuffle of the remaining cards takes place. This means that each dealt card has been randomly drawn from a freshly reshuffled deck, each and every time.
And so on, until the game is over and the next one begins. This process of continuous shuffling is a measure of added protection to ensure the highest level of randomness and security that can be obtained.

A unique system:

It is impossible for player actions to influence the cards.
It is impossible to predict future cards.
As all the shuffled data is sent along a secure, encrypted line, it is impossible to intercept card data
Hole cards are only visible to the players that hold them. Even our floor manager cannot see what you are holding until the game is finished.
The design is simple and therefore fail-safe.
The "black box" shuffler is itself set within a totally secure system.
- The only thing which can enter our shuffler is a secure, coded request for a freshly shuffled deck of cards.
- The only thing which can come out of our shuffler is a shuffled deck of cards.

Virtuepoker works hard to give you the peace of mind you deserve - so you can concentrate on your game. "

OK.. back to my thoughts.. (This next line I think isssss a MAJOR over sell)

"Quantum Photon Shuffler" is essentially an unpredictable, scientifically- proven quantum-mechanical process inside a special, impregnable, 'hack-proof' "black box".
All on-line casinos use an RNG, but not all RNG'S are the same. Of course, for security reasons, we can't tell you exactly how ours works; but we can give you an idea: "

Remember the WIZARD OF OZ? Something tells me there is a man behind the big emerald crystal wall... Pushing our buttons with BULL SHIT. a "Quantum Photon Shuffler" - BEEAAAMMMM ME UP SCOTTY! Somebody Quick.. get me a real deck of cards. Pennsylvania! Please RUSH and bring me LIVE casino poker.. "Quantum Photon Shuffler" - Like they say on Saturday night live.. REALLLLLlllllllyyyy? LOL!!!

"The "black box" shuffler is itself set within a totally secure system."

Yeah... there is a system in place alright.. and my gut tells me it's a very complex system of BALONEY. It's a good thing for us rounders however that these virtuous people have our backs.. so when our stack of CHIPS.. (REAL CASH) crashes and burns.. at least they have a "BLACK BOX" - We have a NEW system to blame.. GOD DARN "Quantum Photon Shuffler"

I'm not a fan of current RNG's or these NEW "Quantum Photon Shufflers" I'm told by many that the cards we all receive on-line are really random.. I'm simply NOT BUYING IT. If this is so... Why the OVER SELL? ("Quantum Photon Shuffler" - PPAAA LLLLLEEEAAASSS EEEEEE!) Why a need to sell like this at all??? Would not a product like a REAL DEAL POKER system from a "real deck of cards".. sell itself? I think if anyone ever comes up with a REAL DEAL POKER system - Ads won't even be needed - The news of a real deck of cards will spread like the H1N1 virus.. Killing all these older systems or at least - making them change the current SYSTEMS.

While I'm on a steam roller - I'll add.. It might be possible that some players are playing on ONE legit system while another is playing a not so legit/fair system. (we have to at least ask these questions) Don't be mindless on-line poker zombies.

Integrity - That's a major word. We would expect quality cards to hold up and win even after the turn and river card. At least the majority of the time..

Hell - The RNG pitch is so good at Virtuepoker that even I might have to try this (new) site.. WAITE.. HOLD ON... EXCEPT ONE THING (I have this feeling I'm being oversold and possibly even ripped off by yet another used car lot salesman) I'd like to know WHY a site like this felt the need to BUILD a new site around this new magic black box? What was wrong with the RNG's that have been out there all these years? Huh? ANYBODY?

You can disagree with me.. but at least THINK ABOUT ALL THIS..

Of course poker players - I could be wrong... but I really doubt it.

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**NoAngel2u** · 11-15-2010, 05:27 PM

Well good grief.

lol I just thought it was cool, and the article was kinda funny. Didn't realize the wabbit would get wuffled up.

**wabbit** · 11-15-2010, 06:09 PM

Hey Beth, no wuffling here. I was just pointing out not everyone believes what is online about the QPS and RNG.

**NoAngel2u** · 11-15-2010, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by wabbit

Hey Beth, no wuffling here. I was just pointing out not everyone believes what is online about the QPS and RNG.

Oh yeah, I have done my fair share of my ranting about rng's. Buncha rat bastards if you ask me.

Had never heard of the QPS though.

Thanks for the huggers.

**wabbit** · 11-15-2010, 07:10 PM

I have to agree...you are very welcome

**Ezzz** · 11-16-2010, 06:15 AM

I am not sure I believe all of these shuffling methods. But have played a TON of online poker. I do feel I have FAR less horrible beats on LP versus the one other site I play on. I firmly believe this other site shifts $ around to keep the bad players interested. Thus creating more rake for the site. Why do I play there some may ask? I have done generally Ok there. They also have a large variety of hi/lo games which I enjoy. But notice that place generates FAR more headaches than LP does for me. I just believe the LP shuffler is far more realistic how things play out imo.

**wabbit** · 11-16-2010, 06:28 AM

I just started playing on LP so I have not been able to make the comparison yet Paul. I have played on FT and PS enough to know if I overplay pocket Kings for instance, there is a better than 50/50 chance someone else at the table has pocket Aces.

**Ezzz** · 11-16-2010, 07:57 AM

LOL I basically believe ANY pre flop allin on tilt is 50/50. Don't get me wrong. I get bad beats on LP. But NOT 5 in a row like at tilt. lol If you ever read some of the old bluffman threads and posts about tilt. I generally agree with his theories. I have been playing that site for some years now. I notice the SAME win/loss trend over and over and over. I more notice this trend in holdem over hi/lo. For I can control hi/lo better KNOWING I am guaranteed the entire or part of the low pot at least. That keeping me in the game. One could say it is my playing style that creates this trend. But feel I have changed somewhat how I play over the years also. So don't really believe that's it. I will make a decent cash in a game. Then feeling I have a nice bankroll cushion etc. I know better than that now. Basically after any nice cash I seem to go on major tilt!! Losing most of the $ before I make a nice cash again. When I say nice cash I'm talking 100 to 500 payout. I've never made a payout over 500 but maybe 1x. I am talking tournament play also. I don't play cash games often unless it is hi/lo and that is rare also. For some reason I get bored playing cash games.