Cash Outs

[curtinsea]

PIC is not available in all 50 states though . . . just FYI

[Ezzz]

I was talking to Rick (Box of Wine). He lives in Washington where online gambling is a felony. Pic may not be available in Washington or he won't use it because does not want to be tracked with there more strict laws. I'm not sure of his exact reason. With Pic you are basically purchasing a international credit card which they then deposit on Lp when you chose that card room. I forgot to mention since it is a international purchase you may also get a $3 or $4 fee from your bank. Everyone wants a piece of the action, so ya gotta LOVE those fees!!

I understand peoples worries now days about identity theft or card numbers being stolen. I have even considered opening another checking account ONLY to be used when making online poker deposits, or ANY online purchase for that matter, so that is another great way to be safe if you are worried. I have not done that because there is NOT generally much to steal out of my account!! Everybody trusted tilt and look what happened!! It is nearly impossible to know in life what or who you can trust until you try trusting them. If the government goes after Pic and locks up a withdrawal what can ya do? They could go after WU or Everleaf just as easily!! If you are too worried about those types of things you should maybe consider not gambling. I would DIE without my online games, so am willing to risk some money with the processors and at the tables to play!!

For a few friends on here I have even received checks from them and deposited for them!! For choice friends I will even give them the cash before I get the check. Others I would need the check first but guarantee most will vouch I am honest. I have been in the forum from the beginning and have never fucked anyone over. If those players win and transfer me, I will then send them a check! Life is great!! lol

[Ezzz]

Also like LP, Pic has good live support. As someone who has generally had bad relationships with support, that means they are GREAT!! I am very nice and friendly but when I "think" something is bs I don't hold back. I was blocked out of pokerroom for posting my views about there support team. Jen had tried out that money booker. I think that was the name, but not absolutely sure. I was having a REALLY hard time setting up my account, so contacted there live support team. I was trying to get help so had NOT even become disgruntled yet. All of a sudden my chat box closed. Shit I got accidentally disconnected right? Well when I tried to contact them again they blocked me out!! lol Well for whatever reasons Jen got rid of them soon after!!! She is VERY professional and does not keep lame duck processors around.

[sourtwist]

Given how much money Ezzz makes on this site compared to how much you make on the site, I tend to think he has a better grasp of just how long withdrawals actually take. As I said before, if it was a real issue, there would be many people flooding this forum with complaints. As it is, things have slowed down but the money still flows and the game goes on and the players are happy.

be happy

if you took the time to actually read my post that you quoted, you would realize what i had actually said. i am sure ezzz makes more than me because i dont play much on this network and 5 dollar buyins dont satisfy me. as far as how long withdrawals take, even the owner here said that i was correct. if you want to talk about picclub, go ahead but thats not what this conversation is about. you start your posts with me in a very condescending way and i dont want to give it back to you, so lets try to keep things on an even keel. i want to raise awareness, not start fights with anyone.

one thing we have in common is that we could both describe ourselves as a "right winged nut".

ezzzz, dont think i specifically called you a liar, but going by picclub's own policies, they give themselves 30 days to process withdrawals. whether its quicker than that or not, i dont care. thats what they told me and thats all i can go by for myself, and all i can tell others. maybe we could start a payout thread here so that people can share their cashout experiences. if this were the case and withdrawals were only one week for a money order, many people would have been using picclub a long time ago.

i can see that i ruffled some feathers and i am not surprised. i know this is a tight forum and i am sure most of you are people i could really get along with.

[curtinsea]

if you took the time to actually read my post that you quoted, you would realize what i had actually said. i am sure ezzz makes more than me because i dont play much on this network and 5 dollar buyins dont satisfy me. as far as how long withdrawals take, even the owner here said that i was correct. if you want to talk about picclub, go ahead but thats not what this conversation is about. you start your posts with me in a very condescending way and i dont want to give it back to you, so lets try to keep things on an even keel. i want to raise awareness, not start fights with anyone.

one thing we have in common is that we could both describe ourselves as a "right winged nut".

ezzzz, dont think i specifically called you a liar, but going by picclub's own policies, they give themselves 30 days to process withdrawals. whether its quicker than that or not, i dont care. thats what they told me and thats all i can go by for myself, and all i can tell others. maybe we could start a payout thread here so that people can share their cashout experiences. if this were the case and withdrawals were only one week for a money order, many people would have been using picclub a long time ago.

i can see that i ruffled some feathers and i am not surprised. i know this is a tight forum and i am sure most of you are people i could really get along with.

It just seems to me that you came in here with "something's up" with a big implication that the network was either a) insolvent and/or b) crooked.

IMO your questions have been addressed personally by management, and if you're still not satisfied with the answers, then I don't see how anyone can help you. But that doesn't mean you have to try to instill panic in everyone else where there is no cause to do so.

I see no track record for you to be basing your fears on other than what you have read elsewhere. I suspect you have not yet even tried to cashout, and the point of my comment about Ezzz was I would rather listen to what members who have made cashouts and cashout attempts recently than speculation from someone who doesn't even play on the site.

it is the responsibility of the network (EVERLEAF) to provide direct payments to it's customers. using a third party is just passing the responsibility around.

^^ it doesn't work like that anymore, even cashing a check from a gaming site could get the bank in trouble, and most won't do it. Third party payers are a necessity.

[sourtwist]

youre very thickheaded and not as smart as you think are. you dont know me from a hole in the wall so you shouldnt prejudge me based on my time only at luvin poker. i have nothing to prove to you such as how much money i make on the site, or whether or not i have tried cashing out. this is irrelevant to the situation, but your stance as a prick mod is as bold as it gets. you have every right to stand up to people when they are wrong, but in this case you should stand down. all in all, i dont give a rats ass if you dont like what i have to say, but what i will tell you is that there are some people who will appreciate it. my conversation with you is over because there will be no progress.

and by the way, what i mean by a third party processor is a player having an account like usemywallet, moneybookers, ewalletexpress, echeckus, picclub. NOT THE THIRD PARTY PROCESSORS THAT THE SITES USE THEMSELVES TO TRANSFER OUR FUNDS! i am talking about creating an account with a processor that is the middleman between the player and the site. OUR MONEY CAN GET STUCK IN BETWEEN THE SITE AND THE PLAYER!!! but you already knew that, right?

[WinJStar]

I totally appreciate those jumping in here. Your defense is of Luvin Poker and it's hard to separate us from ELG, but ELG are the ones in fact handling the funds. The most I can do is express our needs and concerns to the network and do my best to protect us and make decisions to opt in or out of items made available to us. As Ezzz mentioned there was a processor a while back everyone was excited about. Ezzz called an interaction he had with them to my attention, I did some homework and instantly pulled them. 3 months later I had people telling me it was a wise move and wound up costing a fortune with all the returns.

To help those understand what Sourtwist is saying is although we do have Western Union, why the heck is it taking so long? Although we have Netteller and Moneybookers for overseas customers, that is also taking a little longer than it should. PicClub is a great option in the US and it is not available in all states. So, basically some of us are at the mercy of Western Union and the time delay. And yes, I'm sure he acknowledges we have a great opportunity here at LP having the forums to utilize for trading. Most places don't have that and I completely encourage it for swaps as it is the quickest option available. His concerns are not about the integrity of Luvin, they are about Everleaf and why we should have these contingencies.

I have explained that with U.S. banks not accepting wires in or out anymore that naturally there would be a back log. When we were allowing friends to cash out through Moneybookers and netteller it too started to create a back log. Is there more to the story? Quite possibly. The one thing you all know me for is my honesty. I do not believe there are liquidity issues. There has been changes in our markets on ELG (ie - all the Italians ). Some of the rooms host land based poker which is very different than our way of depositing and withdrawing. The one thing I know 100% is our funds are safe. We may have delays, but they are secure. The LGA provides our license in Malta and have confirmed all our funds are segregated. If you have any doubts, you are welcome to verify with them as they audit on a monthly basis.


I am certainly not encouraging the debates here that take place in other communities. Sourtwist, although the forums represent casual play and good times, that is intentional. We have many grinders at the tables, so players are not as blind to the issues as you think. However, we have found ways to get past the obstacles.

[sourtwist]

FWIW, i plan on playing again as soon as i am comfortable again. i am rooting for this network to come back around and i think that its great that an owner of a site also has a forum in which the players can join to interact with each other. winjstar, from what i have seen is as straightforward and honest as she could be and i am not trying to tarnish anything for anyone. i cannot apologize for expressing my views, but i will say that i wish the conversation with myself and a couple others would have gone differently. this is a one of a kind community you all have here and i have a feeling this group will be together whether its on ELG or on a different network, and thats something all of you should be proud to have.

[sourtwist]

so what does curtinsea have to say about all the garbage he was talking yesterday?

[cdub512]

FWIW, i plan on playing again as soon as i am comfortable again. i am rooting for this network to come back around and i think that its great that an owner of a site also has a forum in which the players can join to interact with each other. winjstar, from what i have seen is as straightforward and honest as she could be and i am not trying to tarnish anything for anyone. i cannot apologize for expressing my views, but i will say that i wish the conversation with myself and a couple others would have gone differently. this is a one of a kind community you all have here and i have a feeling this group will be together whether its on ELG or on a different network, and thats something all of you should be proud to have.

looks like this community might need to end up somewhere else!