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    Mackenzie Phillips Bombshell



    Mackenzie Phillips Is Not Oversharing! - E! Online

    ick, ick, ick.

    We don't want to read Mackenzie Phillips' account of her "consensual" relationship with Papa John Phillips.
    We don't want to see Oprah Winfrey devote airtime to the alleged rape, abortion, drugs and unsettling etc. We don't want to relive the whole sordid story in People.

    We don't want to hear it. Any of it.

    And that might be the ickiest thing of all.

    Understand, the ick factor we're feeling is not about whether the former sitcom star is lying, although some, including stepmother Michelle Phillips, think she is; the ick factor is about the subject matter.

    Incest.

    Jennifer Storm works with assault survivors as executive director of the Victim/Witness Assistance Program in Harrisburg, Pa.
    She tells us incest-related abuse cases that go to trial—cases that have been vetted and endorsed by authorities higher than Oprah—are among the hardest for prosecutors to win.

    "Juries do not want to believe the victim because they cannot fathom doing that to their own child," Storm says.
    "We see so many not-guilty verdicts because the average brain cannot comprehend a parent abusing that privilege."

    So, not only do we not want to hear it, in some way, we can't hear it.
    When Phillips talks, we get nothing but static—and a vague feeling that the signal would be better if only she'd kept her story to herself, her therapist or even, most cynically, her own imagination.

    But whoever said this was about us?

    "It's important for the survivors that they break the silence," says Storm. "It's not so much for the catharsis; it's putting a voice on it. It really helps normalize that these really horrible things are happening."

    As in, too much information.

    Oddly, Wednesday's Oprah didn't look like a much better place for Phillips to be. Through much of the interview, Winfrey was clinical and exacting, rather than comforting and empathetic.
    Maybe this was the performance of a woman with a long memory of James Frey, a woman who didn't want to risk appearing to be sold on Phillips.

    Or maybe this was something else. Maybe it was the careful approach of an incest survivor herself who sensed we didn't need to be sold on Phillips as much as we needed to be walked through the actress' story, page by page, so that maybe we'd understand.

    Understand that where some subject matters are concerned, there can never be too much information.

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    How about?/ She is just one fucked up lady!!!!

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    Truth or not she is very sad.Incest happens I dont beleive one can turn a blind eye to it.No matter how repulsive an idea it may be.If its kept a dirty seceret then how can people exposed to it get help?

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    Apparently a lot ppl are coming out now and admitting that they knew about it back then... the ultimate in child abuse and no adult intervenes?

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    Incest alone is pitiful!!!!! But to say if turned into consensual, oh my!!

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    sometimes they develop a different personality, so they change into a different person when it happening
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    It's a very sad scenario all around. Imagine what someone must feel as a child when this happens to them. It's not just rape (I'm sorry, but I refuse to think any child can consent to such an atrocity. if they say yes, it's because they are afraid of the consequences if they say no, because this person is such an active role in their life). This is their father/family member who this child has learned to trust and love. What goes this child's mind. Think how hard it is for them to come out and confess what has happened. We automatically label them as "gross" or "lying". Where does comfort come into play for these poor souls who have tormented their entire lives over this.

    Yes, it's disgusting and no one wants to hear about it. Why do we make the child, the victim, suffer through our inability to get past our own self-righteousness and listen to their story, and realize it's not their fault. I for one feel sorry for her. She may say its consensual, but I will never believe she wasn't unconsciously saying no, with fear of the consequences. Her mind now is probably so fucked up, that she has probably convinced herself it was consensual.

    What a sad story indeed. My heart goes out to her.
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    I totally agree with you, Nicci. Very, very sad. She's obviously been trying to medicate herself all these years as a result of her extremely dysfunctional upbringing.

    I have to admit, my first knee jerk reaction was that she has always been messed up on drugs (I remember when she was fired from One Day at a Time in the early 80s) so I figured she was just looking for attention and that she was just lying. (since he died in 2001 it's not like her dad can dispute her claims) I also questioned her motives for going on Oprah and announcing this to the world the week before her book will be released... but after watching her on TV yesterday I believe she is sincerely trying to bring a subject out in the open that no one wants to talk about.

    As far as it being "consensual"... I think that because of all of the drugs in her life she really never had the chance to mature into an adult. Even if she was 19 when it all started... her dad had given her drugs when she was 10? 11? She never had a chance to grow up and make adult decisions. Nope. Not consensual. Not even close. Whether this is the media's understanding of her lack of outward protest or her own internalization of such heinous events, it's not true. She could not have given consent. She was still a child and drugged out of her mind when her father raped her. The trauma of that event combined with her obviously troubled past made her vulnerable to one of the saddest emotional and mental conditions anyone can imagine. She was in no way capable of saying no to a man who had so much influence over her. I doubt incest victims ever are ever capable of consent with their abuser.

    Peace to you, Mackenzie.

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    i don't watch oprah so i guess i missed it

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