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    Iranian Elections

    legit or fraud??

    does it really matter?? will the world unite against a fraudulent government and move Iran closer to the west, just as was hoped if there was a new president??

    a few quotes, all taking the view of "fraud"

    “I use this chance to honor the emotions of the nation of Iran and remind them that Iran, this sacred being, belongs to them and not to the fraudulent. It is you who should stay alert. The traitors to the nation’s vote have no fear if this house of Persians burns in flames. We will continue with our green wave of rationality that is inspired by our religious learnings and our love for prophet Mohammad and will confront the rampage of lies that has appeared and marked the image of our nation.”

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    “One man passing by told her, ‘You wrote Mousavi, they read Ahmadinejad!’ She responded: ‘They’re illiterate and need to learn reading.’

    Then a man in a car moving in the other direction rolled down his window and shouted at her in anger, ‘You whore! Why are you creating conflict between people?’ A basiji (a member of the volunteer paramilitary aligned with Ahmadinejad) charged at her from nowhere with a metal rod and was about to beat her when he was held down and beaten himself by five or six men streaming out of nearby cars.

    ‘I mean, just look at this! If Ahmadinejad won 25 million votes, which they claim, we should be celebrating, right?’ an onlooker commented.”

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    “One employee of the Interior Ministry, which carried out the vote count, said the government had been preparing its fraud for weeks, purging anyone of doubtful loyalty and importing pliable staff members from around the country.

    ‘They didn’t rig the vote,’ claimed the man, who showed his ministry identification card but pleaded not to be named. ‘They didn’t even look at the vote. They just wrote the name and put the number in front of it.’”

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    “Washington now faces a newly fractured Iranian polity ruled by a leadership that is willing to jettison its own institutions and legitimacy in its determination to retain absolute control. That does not bode well for Iran’s capacity to undertake serious talks and eventually engage in historic concessions on its nuclear program and support for terrorism. Obama has to be prepared to move forward with diplomacy despite the wholesale setback for Iran’s limited democracy. In the wake of this disastrous election, opportunities for progress on engagement may unexpectedly present themselves. But he should do so in full awareness of the farce that has been perpetrated with this Ahmadinejad ‘landslide’ and of the seething frustration of so many Iranians.”

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    “From a reader: ‘My next door neighbor is an Iranian immigrant who came here in 1977. He just received a SAT phone call from his brother in Tehran who reports that the rooftops of nighttime Tehran are filled with people shouting ‘Allah O Akbar’ in protest of the government and election results. The last time he remembers this happening is in 1979 during the Revolution. Says the sound of tens of thousands on the rooftops is deafening right now.’ It’s almost four in the morning in Iran.”
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    The wonder is that anyone was ever naive enough to think the election may be 'straight' in the first place!

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    another viewpoint...

    The Iranian People Speak

    The election results in Iran may reflect the will of the Iranian people. Many experts are claiming that the margin of victory of incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was the result of fraud or manipulation, but our nationwide public opinion survey of Iranians three weeks before the vote showed Ahmadinejad leading by a more than 2 to 1 margin -- greater than his actual apparent margin of victory in Friday's election.
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    Scores of foreign journalists were picked up as they recorded the ruthless suppression of Mr Mousavi’s supporters. Almost all were released, but many had their cameras confiscated and pictures erased. By the middle of this week almost all foreign journalists will have been forced to leave Iran, as the regime has refused to extend the ten-day visas they were granted to cover the election
    Allowing Americans to do an opinion poll?? Ummmm

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    i voted fraud but actually the elections in Iran are meaningless. the true power does not lie with the president. whoever he or she is gets to make some speeches and appear on television, host meetings, visit the U.N. etc, but not much after that. all the truly important decisions are made by the religious leaders. it's a sham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastro View Post
    it's a sham.
    sounds familiar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastro View Post
    i voted fraud but actually the elections in Iran are meaningless. the true power does not lie with the president. whoever he or she is gets to make some speeches and appear on television, host meetings, visit the U.N. etc, but not much after that. all the truly important decisions are made by the religious leaders. it's a sham.
    You don't think denying the holocaust and threatening to nuke Israel has meaning? It has an effect, sir. It rattles. It rolls. It influences nations. It
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdCase View Post
    You don't think denying the holocaust and threatening to nuke Israel has meaning? It has an effect, sir. It rattles. It rolls. It influences nations. It
    sucks llama balls!
    I think that this aspect is important, but it's about the only thing in the mix with this election result. The Ayatollah still rules that country regardless of who the 'President' is unless there is a full-scale neo-Velvet Revolution. Also, any revolution will be less than Velvet since the people in charge have no problem spilling blood to keep power. The challenging President is also a strong supporter of the nuclear program, so that part of Israel's security is going to look the same either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdCase View Post
    You don't think denying the holocaust and threatening to nuke Israel has meaning? It has an effect, sir. It rattles. It rolls. It influences nations. It
    sucks llama balls!
    you may be right. it influenced our nation to "reach out our hand if he will unclench his fist". brilliant move, reaching out to an idiot like that.
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    There are plenty of idiots out there and Obama's PRIMARY moves with their
    sorry asses is part of a new strategy to gain favor from the people. Baby steps!

    He will go Gonzo on them if need be....just like me...I'm nice....Get in my face
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