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    Government "Care" its sooo loving its News Worthy!

    The Government loves you and wants to "help" you so you can be safe and well "cared" for (now I know this story comes from the UK but it is a country in the World, it really does exist) continuing, because the British Government care for old folk so much they have invented the Liverpool Care Pathway. Although slightly Orwellian in name the "care pathway" is what Government deems best for old "will die one day" ex taxpayers.

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    Family fury after dad put on controversial death plan without consent

    Feb 2 2011 Lachlan Mackinnon

    Doc 'didn't tell us he'd put dad on death plan'

    An angry nurse has told the Daily Record how the NHS put her dad on the "pathway to death" - without his family's consent.

    We revealed yesterday, left, that patients' leaders are deeply concerned ? about the use of the "Liverpool Care Pathway" in Scots hospitals.

    It's designed to ease the suffering of patients judged by doctors to be at the end of their lives, and can involve withdrawing food and fluids and giving heavy doses of sedatives. Starving them and giving them a chemical cosh.

    One of the drugs used, midazolam, is offered to US Death Row inmates before they are executed.

    Some families say their relatives were put on the LCP when they still had a chance of life. Its all for the best, trust your loving mother (government)

    And a 2008 study found that one in four families in 155 English hospitals weren't consulted before the LCP was used.

    The nurse we spoke to accused medics at Glasgow's Stobhill Hospital of failing to speak to her family before deciding her 75-year-old dad should go on the Pathway.

    She said her father, who had cancer, was admitted to hospital in December 2009. I hope they didn't expect a cure

    And she said: "A doctor took one look at his notes and put him on the LCP without speaking to my family. They wrote him off." "here are the patients notes Doctor"..."Oh I see he's quite old isn't he hmmm, kill him!"

    The nurse said the family took her dad home but he stayed on the sedatives.

    And she said that when they demanded the drugs be stopped, he went "from being unable to eat or drink to sitting up in bed". Because he wasnt being slowly poisoned anymore.

    He eventually died, in his bed, in February last year.

    The nurse said: "If dad had stayed on midazolam, he would have lasted five days. They were speeding his death without explaining it to us." bit like murder then??

    Scotland Patients Association chairwoman Margaret Watt has warned that the LCP "can be used to bring lives to a premature end". Which is the whole point of it.

    She praised the Record for "highlighting growing concern" over the issue of consenthmm yes it would be nice to be asked about the death plan wouldn't it from families.

    But the Scottish Government insist LCP cases are assessed every day. And some families we spoke to said the Pathway had helped their relatives die with dignity.(quickly)

    One woman, whose husband died two weeks ago of a brain tumour at Edinburgh's Western General, said: "We were fully consulted in advance and throughout his treatment. I can't praise the staff highly enough.
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    The Liverpool Care Pathway ensures that palliative patients (ie dying patients) have every aspect of their care checked which means every aspect.

    I'm too tired to give examples but in my opinion it's a good thing when followed properly. It's simply a monitoring tool.
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    http://www.liv.ac.uk/mcpcil/liverpoo..._(Example).pdf

    If you skip to the pages of the various goals, you'll see how much depth it goes into, it's not just about the patient being pain free but the whole body is cared for.
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    Due to Dr Harold Shipman, doctors not only have to do what's in the best interests of the patients, but they have to be seen to be doing it. All medications are started off on the lowest dose for symtom control, when these symptoms rearise the dose is then increased. I know this first hand!

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    Harold Fredrick Shipman[1] (14 January 1946 – 13 January 2004) was a convicted English serial killer. A doctor by profession, he is among the most prolific serial killers in recorded history with 218 murders being positively ascribed to him, although the actual number is likely much higher.
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    FOURTH REPORT
    The Regulation of Controlled Drugs in the Community published 15 July 2004
    Command Paper Cm 6249
    In the Inquiry’s Fourth Report, the Chairman, Dame Janet Smith DBE, considered the systems for the management and regulation of controlled drugs, together with the conduct of those who operated those systems. She has made recommendations for change based upon her findings.

    FIFTH REPORT
    Safeguarding Patients: Lessons from the Past - Proposals for the Future published 9 December 2004
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    In the Inquiry’s Fifth Report, the Chairman, Dame Janet Smith DBE, considered the handling of complaints against general practitioners (GPs), the raising of concerns about GPs, General Medical Council procedures and its proposal for revalidation of doctors. She has made recommendations for change based upon her findings.
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    Well im glad you mentioned Harold Shipman, because he pioneered the idea. Of course Dr Death was killing old people so that he could personally gain financially. The LCP is a method of killing old people so the "state" can gain financially (not that we get a tax cut). When one nut case does it, it's murder but when the collective state does it its called care.

    Seriously Michael how can you read the above reports and say that withholding fluids and food and over dosing old people on morphine is simply monitoring tool, good example of fucked up phyco semantics though, so thanks for that.
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    I'm not commenting at all about the use in the example Ena. I am explaining that in the community the LCP is used as a checklist to ensure the entire body is cared for. It also includes a section for the spiritual aspect of the patient and care for the relatives too. Like I stated I know this first hand. My community patients are encouraged to eat and drink for as long as the body needs it (in this instance the need is dictated by the body itself... it naturally declines). Fluids are encouraged until the body can no longer physically take it (and this include fluid food supplements). We do not put up IV drips in the community for palliative patients as this is prolonging life. Palliative care neither prolongs life nor hastens death.

    Discuss this with someone who doesn't know what she's talking about .
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    Listen up Shemale, im not accusing you of going round bumping people off because you are prob a nice lady, im just pointing out the dastardly methods employed by the Government to hasten/monitor peoples death who go into Hospital with life threatening conditions. These people are to a large extent old fuckers and considered of little value to the State. So we will have to disagree, I know what you think and I think what I know, I haven't got an enormous contrarian axe to grind you know. Its just a fact that the LCP was developed by the marie curie cancer people who are headed up by a big fat Fabian pig who is a member of the Common Purpose "charity"

    So why not comment on the above example or read about others if they havent been taken down by the powers that be
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    Nope cannot comment about the article cos it's a news story. What I am commenting about is fact
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    Well ive seen it in action, and its not very nice.
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