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    The gloves come off

    Pentagon braces for huge WikiLeaks dump on Iraq war
    Oct 17 2010
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...5:b38425436:z0

    Pentagon cautions news media on WikiLeaks documents
    Oct 18 2010
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1811423120101019

    The Internet War
    Oct 19 2010
    http://thelinknewspaper.ca/article/517
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    Oct 20 2010

    Wikileaks Feint

    The Wikileaks tweet to download its "insurance" file appears to be a feint to misinform about its next releases.

    Assange's long-tweet and attack on Wired appears a part of the feint.

    Daniel Schmitt's and "insiders" falling out with Assange appear a part of the feint.

    The several leaks to the media and joint newsmaking about what the next leak appears a part of the feint.

    Wikileaks being down for several weeks appears a part of the feint.

    Taunting US DoD appears part of the feint.

    The Swedish rape allegation appears part of the feint.

    Feint from what?

    1. The alleged 260,000 diplomatic cables taken by Bradley Manning and passed on to Wikileaks. These would be of much greater significance than the Aghan military files and any Iraq war files.

    2. The diplomatic cables have dropped off the media radar and seemingly the concern of the administration. That would be consistent with a campaign to diminish interest in them by emphasizing the more outrage-arousing military files and threat to servicemembers and Afghan agents. A feint by the administration.

    3. The lesser known diplomatic cables are far more informative about US policy than the type of military files released by Wikileaks. And their release would be considerably more damaging to the US than the military files.

    4. Hints that the the next Wikileaks release will be Iraq war files would set the stage for a much greater shock when unexpected material is released -- diplomatic cables or materials not yet identified, possibly on senior US governmental officials in the three branches and on the officials of other governments -- and could also divert any US attempt to block the material as if it consisted of "national security" information, the basis of most stringent multi-national intervention.

    5. Disclosure of illegality or scandalous behavior of government officials -- US and others -- would be more damaging than release of military data for it would break the case for national security intervention and lead to the withdrawal of military investigation -- it would greatly please the military to be relieved of blame for insecurity. It would turn the spotlight on the civilian USG and engender public support for investigation of malfeasance in high office, the justification for that has been amply demonstrated.

    6. Lessons learned from the Afghan war release are to not repeat what was done before but use that expectation as a ploy. Instead:

    7. Release in multiple batches not a single bombshell, in timed releases not all at once.

    8. Release through arrangements with multiple parties who may or may not know of each other.

    9. Release in multiple outlets not associated with the media, which may or may not know of each other.

    10. Release to other governments and openly, none knowing about the other.

    11. Release to other governments covertly, none knowing about the other.

    12. Release false and padded information along with, or instead of, legitimate material, as placebos; declare this openly and keep secret certain aspects.

    13. Withhold information and declare this openly.

    14. Withhold information and keep this secret, with perhaps a taste hinted.

    15. Do not overly focus on military intel fatuity, continue to go too far covering political, economic, religious, educational, humanitarian, NGO, personal -- other leak and secrecy two coin sides, anti-leak and anti-secrecy shills, FOIA and whistleblower sanctimones, media, advertising and their comedians, TLAs and their pensions bloat, defense and anti-war warlovers, lobbying and political lawyers NGO manipulators, ex-spies flogging spy-contracts with national security threat-mongering, venerable public heros and award-granting leeches, organized anything industries.

    16. Beware lawyers with backbone plumage and strut, they are officers of the state obliged to shop you for law and order.

    17. Establish several means of "insurance," some open, some secret far better than always duplicitous insurance.

    18. Continue to prepare future releases under the feint of dramatic releases.

    19. Release by little noticed seepage through means not easily recognized.

    20. Encourage a thousand Wikileaks openly, some fake, some seemingly opposed, some sacrificial bait, then more out of sight.

    21. Use the brand to mislead. Pretend to be what is most easily attackable by experienced opponents.

    22. Feint, stab, feint, stab. Ever more devious in getting forbidden information out about those who are desperate to control it. Beware corrupting heirarchy, feint it.

    23. Avoid the money trap, it is all dirty.

    24. Pretend to trust insiders and the core, expect betrayal, that is what insiders and core are for.

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    Caveat on the diplomatic cables: State and CIA share a long-established highly secure means of global communication superior to and separate from the system allegedly accessed by Bradley Manning, if accounts are accurate and not deliberately deceptive. This top secret and above information is multi-level encrypted and burst-transmitted for distribution at known DC-area facilities for decryption by the local recipient office's crypto facility according to the multiple levels of access. The most sensitive information is transmitted by courier: nobody at top secret and above level trusts digital systems except to mislead. Whatever Manning may have accessed would not be highly classified but mid- and low-level traffic. His access would not be accidental, nor his leakage.

    http://cryptome.org/0002/wikileaks-feint.htm
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    Can't wait for the movie to come out on this.
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    Recent wikileaks tweets:

    10-20-2020
    WikiLeaks communications infrastructure is currently under attack. Project BO move to coms channel S. Activate Reston5.
    Alot of speculation as to the meaning of that one for sure.

    10-21-2010
    Major WikiLeaks press conference in europe coming up; to book [press/NGO only], mail sunshine.booking@mail.be
    So a couple of week ago, I thought to myself "haven't been hearing much on wikileaks lately," so I pulled up their page only to see that they were down for scheduled maintenance. I googled wikileaks, and there didn't seem to be all that much in the news about them. Last week their site was still down for scheduled maintenance (hmmm I thought to myself) then the news reports started flowing again. Funding cut off,,, denied citizenship to Netherlands,,, Assange reeming wired,,, this and that and tit for tat, but I was really curious about the "insurance" file everyone's all a twitter about. It's a large file with a load of speculation attached.

    Well I decided to hop on their IRC chat and talk to the good folks of wikileaks. Had some friendly and polite conversation. Said they would be up again in a week, or so if all went as planned. A comment was made by them about hoping to not run into the trouble that the cryptome had last week. (hmmm again, hell I don't even know who cryptome is lol) So, I just said "Oh yeah for sure. Well adios and good luck with it all." lmfao

    Well about an hour after that conversation, I'm up to my usual on the computer. Just happen to have my email open, and then suddenly a message pops up that says, "You have been logged out of your account, because you have logged in from another location." (HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM WTF?) LMFAO SHIT, did my cat just die because curiosity got the best of me??? ROTF Do you have any idea how dificult it is to hack a 21 character alphaneumeric password with random numbers, letters, upper & lower case and special characters? Damnit, and I just got it memorized!! LMAO I suspect they got it by some other means, but very curious indeed.

    I was rather insulted at first, but then I thought fuck it, I'm just a curiousity seeker, they can peruse my email all they want, there is absolutely nothing of interest there, and I don't do any banking, or bill paying online at all. The only cash exchange I make online are for minor purchases, or cash for playing poker, and I use a debit card and paypal, neither of which are attached to a bank.

    Damn hackers
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    so someone from wikileaks hacked your e-mail??, ....I know that if you have a e-mail window open and minimized, and try to log-in again you get that message...I have done that...

    I have never been to wikileaks, and don't really understand what your first couple post are about, can you sum it up in simple terms?

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    Do you have any idea how dificult it is to hack a 21 character alphaneumeric password with random numbers, letters, upper & lower case and special characters?
    It's more likely Echelon than fukin wikileaks... if everyone stops being shit scared we can get rid of these cnuts!

    We need to all stick together and call them out and say fcuk you! cant people see what's going on???
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubbers View Post
    so someone from wikileaks hacked your e-mail??, ....I know that if you have a e-mail window open and minimized, and try to log-in again you get that message...I have done that...
    Well that was my first thought. I've done the same thing before, but I only had one window with 5 tabs and only 1 tab with my email. I'm pretty sure it happened in relation to my contact with them. Found this article a couple of days ago http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenber...echannelforbes I think I played with fire and got singed. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by fubbers View Post
    I have never been to wikileaks, and don't really understand what your first couple post are about, can you sum it up in simple terms?
    Well the simplist term is that this is a modern day "Pentagon Papers" on steroids. lol
    Live Feed Wikileaks Newsconference
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    I saw a piece in the news about wikileaks and googled Echelon(big brother is watching)


    I personally not sure we needed to go in Iraq at all, but in my opinion we sacrificed plenty of US soldiers(coutning the maimed) in order to spare Iraqi civilians....and soldiers ...


    I really don't care about the ratio, because I know we could have easily had almost zero casualities, and just blown most of the country up from the air

    But we chose to sacrifice 30000?? men instead to save millions of those fuctards

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